State Socialism

I suspect that Lenin and Leninists would disagree.

Why would they disagree with the most loyal of Bolshevist.

'Cos they all seem to think that Lenin was great and Stalinism was some sort of evil corruption of Leninism, but we all know that anyway. I just couldn't resist contradicting you.

I ask that you read the works of Stalin, as Im going to read the works of Trotsky.

Well, I'm just going to start reading all the obscure communist works, especially any I can find on syndicalism. While syndicalism sounds crazy, it also sounds kind of interesting. So, does anyone have any good suggestions?

Also, @Viking Socrates yes there is a such thing as Stalinism, however its simply defined as the principles of communism associated with Joseph Stalin. Which is pretty much just a variant of Leninism, as you said. A more authoritarian variant, to be sure.

http://www.marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm

Read

Well, I'll probably see if I can find all of Marx's books that they list in there. Wonder if they'll be available at the local library?

You can read them on there.

Oh ok thanks!

Oh gawd, so much isms.

Ugg reading Leon Trotsky's the revolution betrayed....FUCK MY LIFE.

So Is suppose your just finding them all on the internet same as me? By the way, I now have like half of Marx's books saved on my computer on PDF files

How was Lenin any less authoritarian than Stalin? I reccomend reading The black book of communism. It details the reign of Lenin and shows how Stalin was just an extension of Lenin. They both committed mass murder and induced artificial famines. They both embraced collectivization. They really weren't that different. Stalin was just in power longer.

Stalin was more authoritarian than Lenin because he somehow found an excuse to kill and starve millions even in times of seemingly complete stability. I believe Lenin would not have killed as many people as Stalin even if Lenin was in power just as long. Lenin was in power during a period of complete turmoil therefore there was at least a small reason behind his murdering.

Yeah Lenin was a horrible person, but I still feel Stalin was worse.

Ignore him, anyone who uses the Black book of communism deserves none of your attention.

I would search my college notes and papers about political currents, but they are lost in a mountain of other stuff. From what I remember, Lenin mainly said that a "vanguard party" should organize the revolution.

The black book of communism is the biggest exaggeration ever. Pre-civil war Lenin was pretty libertarian.

Also Ler is a Leninist.

Well, I don't really follow the exact variant of every communist on the forums. I believe I got the Trotskyist thing from that political test thread.
Anyways, I'd be interested to know what is your opinion on syndicalism Lenin Cat?

This has to be one of the most worthless discussions that has ever taken place on the forums.