US Gun Laws

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by CoExIsTeNcE, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    I guess. I only support legalisation, I don't use it myself. Hardly see why I should.
  2. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Exactly, one of the fears here in the united states is that If they legalize it then everyone would use it, yet if they did I wouldn't use it.
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    I've noticed that that's a very US way of thinking. If people have a certain right, they want to use it, no matter what. This might be why they're reluctant to make it legal in the US. Also, I do think there are quite strict regulations on it in the Netherlands. It's not like Bill O' Reilly says and Amsterdam is some chaotic drug hole where evil muslims are handing out hard drugs to children or some crap like that.
  4. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    I think its restricted to homes and Coffee shops in the Netherlands.
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    You're allowed to carry a few grams on you, and have three plants at home to grow for your own use. Using special lights to help them grow is forbidden, though. Other than that, yes, you can get it in coffee shops, which as far as I know are quite strictly regulated.
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    As I recall, there was supposed to be some legislation regarding foreigners going to coffee shops, because they'd buy some pot and take it back to their country, where it is illegal. I think that was the most controversy I've heard over the Netherlands in that regard.
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    I assume that'll be sniffed out customs. But yeah, I can understand why other countries don't want the drugs being taken back there. I think they were talking about making special passes for people who are able to buy marijuana or something.
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    Yeah, that was it. But, back on topic: people can get guns fairly easily illegally. I know I could.
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    In the US where guns are in abundance. I would not know where to begin in Denmark.(most gangs in Denmark use knives.)
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    True, in the place I live, I doubt I could get my hands on a gun. I mean, in cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam, you'd be able to get a gun if you'd want to, but in smaller communities, I doubt you can get one.
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    I live in a city of 300.000. That's not exactly small.(but I get your point)
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    Well, my hometown has about 40.000 people living there, but where I study, about 150.000 people live there. I haven't really heard of a lot of criminal activity there, though.
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    What disgraces. They deserve the beating they surely get.
  14. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Yes, actually, it is. The rub is under what circumstances they are used. Even Texans probably would not condone killing sprees in elderly homes or schools.
    The legality of both smoking and drinking is under fire as we speak [or post, rather]. Smoking is already banned in many states in public areas such as restaurants, hospitals, hotels, schools, public buildings, etc. Many buisnesses also prohibit it within the building, mostly on account of the smoke alarms. Drinking is similarly banned in many places. Service areas such as restaurants that do not serve alcohol may ban the use of it on their premesis. Being drunk or drinking in public places is illegal and the drinking age in the US tends to be higher than most EUROPEAN countries as well as MOST OTHER countries around the world. There are still many prohibition movements in the US.
    Additionally, remember that 'the right to drink' appears nowhere in the US Bill of Rights. So the argument is not as direct as is thought. The 'Right to bear arms' does appear and has important historical and traditional significance in the US.
    The dangers of marijuana use are debatable. While they may or may not directly kill people, like alcohol and smoking, they may cause impaired judgement and make people commit acts that they will regret later. Additionally, they can be the source of illicit activities. I am not talking about the illegality of the drug itself, but rather that people may commit illegal acts in order to aquire the currency needed to purchase them, legally or not. Even if it were legalized, under the current propositions, it would be heavily taxed. Beyond that the illegal activities to aquire currency to purchase it may continue, the legalization may still allow for the illegal smuggling and sale of the drug as addicted users may seek to find sources of cheaper supply.
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    I think you're a bit off base here. It isn't really prohibited, you just need a license to sell or distribute alcohol. Many places practice a BYOB policy, but in order to do so you have to have staff that is trained to card the clientele and detect fake ids. For many restarants it's just easier to say no booze here, but even many restaurant chains (like the Chipotle's in NYC, or the panchero's in Tempe where I live) will follow a regional policy, even selling booze in some of their locales, but denying it in others. Also the statues regarding being drunk in public vary from state to state, and municipality to municipality, but almost all are centered around the idea of as long as you aren't being loud or obnoxious, or endangering yourself or others, you're free to be as drunk as you'd like.

    Most of your other points were pretty well laid out though.
  16. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Thanks for the comliment [the last sentence].
    I wasn't off point so much as didn't specify like I should have. I forgot to highlight the variancy from state to state [though it is there]. And of course, who sells alcohol and who does not varies as well. But generally speaking, from what I know, stumbling into traffic drunk or flashing preschoolers while intoxicated is pretty much illegal everywhere.
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    Yes, but those same activities are illegal whilst sober...
  18. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    True, they are bad examples.
    The point was that being drunk in public is illegal in some states and that even if you are just walking on the sidewalk, you could be arrested for being drunk.
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    Most likely the weapon I would get would have been smuggled/illegally acquired in the first place. To clarify, I don't actually know someone who sells illegal weapons, but I do know exactly who I'd ask to find those people.
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    But say I made smoking weed a part of my religion/religious ceremony. Then it would be legal, right? If it isn't then they US government has already broken the first amendment.
    Oh come on. I'm pretty sure a gun can be used for that too.
    It doesn't have to be that way.
    Except it's a lot cheaper to transport it legally and in large quantaties than to smuggle it across several countries with the risk of jail for the transporter.

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