"Occupy" Superthread

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by SovietEmpireUSSR, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. Kalalification Guest

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    If what I say offends you, you'll have to live with it. I don't deliberately insult people and I won't curb my posts to meet some standard of 'political correctness' for your benefit.
  2. Tito Well-Known Member

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    It's not political correctness, I just find you to be one of the most disgustingly hypocritical forum mods I've ever seen.
    lol
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    In what way am I hypocritical? I've never once reported someone for insulting me. I act with impartiality.
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    Sure, you never report people, but if an attack against your character is included in an otherwise debatable post, sure enough you mount your high horse and dedicate entire posts about how that one sentence is irrelevant, completely ignoring the rest. On page 33 of this thread, for example, every single one of your posts is entirely dedicated to this sort of thing.
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    There was no 'rest.' That was the entirety of page 33, a bunch of irrelevant religious bickering. Religion has got nothing to do with the topic, least of all my own religious beliefs.
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    To clarify what I said, I didn't call him a hippy, I said his beliefs were hippy-esque. It isn't a attack on his character, but rather his beliefs, which I do find pretty silly. However, it's all irrelevant to the topic, I was just pointing out how it was a recurring them with Ler. But whatever, it doesn't really matter either way, as I was simply making a observation, rather than using it in the context of a argument.
  7. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    There's both an issue of maturity here and an issue of overinclusiveness.

    The OWS movement is dominated by young people. I can't claim to have inside knowledge of its workings, but I am certain that the inexperience of these youth with actual political processes is a factor in increasingly strident but ineffective protest. Put another way, the Tea Party was and is civil, organized, and knew how to play the game of politics. OWS neither knows how nor wants to play it. This generally ties into a larger theme of low political awareness and apathy among people my age translating into poorly executed activism.

    The other bit is that OWS has failed to distance itself from the bad elements trying to associate themselves with it. The reason I say this is that I remember those Oakland rioters. They've always been there. The Bay Area had anti-globalization and anarchist mini-riots in Palo Alto and Oakland even when there wasn't an excuse for one. These are the same groups of people that prompted heavy-handed police responses at the G20 meeting in Seattle in 2009. Occupy has simply given them another reason to smash property and throw a fit, the same way the Seattle meeting did, and there has been really ineffective leadership at play in excluding these miscreants.

    Also, just last week, I saw Stephen Colbert interviewing two protesters who were assigned PR duties within the camp. One of them told Colbert her name was Ketchup.
    Yeah, Ketchup (yes she had red hair). I think that explains things enough but hearing her speak, she bought way to much into the rhetoric used, this included used the protests hand gestures with three people in the room and referring to herself as a "female bodied individual".
  8. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    The double-standards and hypocrisy of Kali/Matt is so not obvious in this thread. (3 pages of them calling me soft-skinned/hippy/looney vs 1 post. Let's see how this turns out..)
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    I addressed some things you frequently do, and rather than respond and dispute my arguments, your going to whine about how I'm a hypocrite, which doesn't even make sense.
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    Absolutely disgusting.
  11. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    Those "bad elements" started this.

    It isnt meaningless violence when us radicals destory private property, its to prove a point.
  12. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    Your always going to be represented by the worst of your group, especially when you do not have some leadership allowing for some denouncing of the fringe elements
    Is your point that you hate private property? Because it does not matter what your trying to say, your actions are the only thing that matters, not that many people are going to have a philosophical debate on what throwing a roll of pennies through a dollar store window represents.
  13. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    This movement was started in part by Anarchists. Much of the organsizing was by Anarchists. The General Assemblys and Peoples Mics? You can thank us Anarchists.

    When we break a god damn window we get the whole liberal barricades all ready to attack us while claiming their peaceful. When the police kill people, when the police threaten eviction. You liberals just shake hands with the police and go "Oh, those were radicals". What do we do? We strike, we resist eviction, we take action.
  14. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Strike all you want. Just dont fucking destroy private property.
  15. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    OH NO! WE ATTACKED THE 1%'S WINDOWS!!!!

    EVERYONE, LEAVE! RADICALS HAVE DESTROYED THIS MOVEMENT!
  16. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    Did they come up with the finger waving, because that is the stupidest thing ever thought of. Remember when Ketchup talked to Colbert? You can appoint someone to talk to elected officials like she was, if you want to change the game of politics you first have to play it. Playing in a drum circle will not change anything
    Intent does not put you above the law, if you cannot distance yourself from the fringe elements you will be represented by them. At any rate you should be on your hands and knees thanking the police right now. The only reason people give a fuck about this is because Tony Bologna pepper sprayed those girls and the Oakland police used excessive force.
  17. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    This movement is about the people directly in a grassroots movement, were not surrendering to a appointed leader. I would settle with a randomly selected delegate bound to votes in the GA's. But even then I rather not.

    I don't care for the law that protects the 1%. In my mind intent is more important. Anyway thats not the point, you attack us for very minimal violence but you usually ignore the brutality of the police. Let the police be idiots, by all means.
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    Look the moment breaking some windows becomes a viable way to effect change or create a positive identity il warn you but currently I'd say its not really that good strategy
  19. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Well if you wanna gain the support of the common man I would say its not a very effective strategy.
  20. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    You couldn't if you wanted to anyway, this is several different moments cobbled together. Someone representing OWS is the only way things will get done. OWS is caught in a trap of ambiguity that was created because of all the different viewpoints.

    I see your supporting some sort of pogrom on the rich, that will get you nowhere in life. I don't ignore the police I look at things from an objective viewpoint, something I see you are incapable of doing.

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