In my personal opinion I do not believe that the Fourth Rich could ever rise with the same ideoligy as the Third Rich do to the mass incompitence of the "Skin head" groups. They hang on the idea of racism far to much and they could never truely organize them selves in such a way to create a new form of government around such a sporadic point of view.
You never know... until after the fact. People also used to think that the First World War would be the end of war. Look what happened to that theory. Human nature takes a long time to change. If it has changed at all. There are plenty of cases in which people have disregarded 'progress' like the UDHR and undertaken acts that directly contradicted said 'progress'. "Well, you know, hindsight is always 20/20."
Progress varies on perspective, which may or may not have been what you were saying. Idk, anyway, it's impossible to state something as progressive because someone else could just as legitimately say it was anti-progressive.
I like his first post ever is about how he doesn't think Neo-Nazi's will succeed. Neo-Nazi's. The guys everybody forgot existed.
I do understand what it is you're getting at, I'm just generally stateing that the "Arien Nation" groups have such a radical opinion to everything that even if they do manage do rise to any form of power all of there large choices they make tward the people and the gorverning it will be off of race immediately with out second thought. That could just start mass rebelions and they will fall just like most represtive forms of governing. I.E The Third Reich at the end of there power.
Yup time to create a peaceful argument of opinions... Right up until the "Skin Head" guys start commenting, then there will be trouble.
Um... my post is saying that it IS possible for them to rise again, racial bias or not. Their previous rise was partly based on race too. The examples I provided were to point out that people's mindsets have not necessarily changed and the right faction can sway the public into doing things that most 'modern thinkers' would consider impossible because of the 'progress in racial equality'.
I know that already I'm just fireing off my opinion of agreement with you and I'm just adding a bit more to it as well. Most people find that this conversation would be completly null and void do to the areas in which have "Neo-Nazi" and "Skin Head" groups are "Civilized" so the ability of a rebelion of such groups is impossible. I find that totally in-correct do to American revolutions in the past when we were "civilized."
The skinheads do not embody Naziism, they are but a residue of its past. You will not find a leader amongst them for they are only followers. The leaders of Naziism and other unsavoury ideaologies had particular traits in common: they were all highly intelligent with an aura of respectability. They endeared themselves to the public, and told them exactly what they wanted to hear. In particular they took advantage of public grievances in order to seize power. Their evil became apparent only when it was too late.
That's the point I've been trying to get across. But since we are on the topic were, when, and who do you think could start the fourth reich if they could?
There are a number of far right-wingers who have come close to taking power in Europe, using a scapegoat as Hitler did, to further their agenda (blaming Muslims rather than Jews for all the world's ills.) Their core-voting groups are generally uneducated xenophobes and bitter people who refuse to take responsibility for their own failures in life. Generally they fail because they are seen to be too extreme, which means they are overlooked either because they are considered too repugnant, or because they are not taken seriously enough. If any future leader can overcome these shortfalls, then a far right government in Europe may yet be a reality. Fortunately it is not very likely.
The "Fourth Reich" is possible, so it should not be excluded from reality. The degenerate right-wing skinheads don't represent nazism in any fashionable way. This are idiots that only spew out racial tendencies and haven't really got what it takes to even take it to the next stage of politics. So, if this was to continue at this rate, you wouldn't see any "Fourth Reich", unless some extraordinary event happens, but you can't really exempt this from reality though because of the historical roots that still kind of haunt us from this day about nazism. The "Fourth Reich" is linked to a conspiracy theory. It's basically goes back after WW2 when the Americans captured and sent nazi scientists back to the United States to do some obvious research for the country. But what the conspiracy theory indicates is that the nazi scientists actually went back to conduct research, but also to teach the nazi ideology to the American government behind the scenes. So, essentially the nazi ideology is still embraced by a top powerful government in the United States. First off i would like to say that is complete and utter garbage, which never really delivered as a reasonable conspiracy theory, i mean it failed (like all other conspiracy theories) to provide any authentic evidence of this suppose preaching of nazism in the United States government. Secondly, how does the "Fourth Reich" rise up in America. I thought this was like a German thing? Well, it just goes to show with got nutters on this planet.
I would have to agree with you strongly. You have quite the opinion and it has been a joy talking to you, thank you for your time
