Okay we all now that in episode 4 of star wars, they blow up the death star, now skip to episode six there building another death star, The death star is an evil machine with evil purposes, now ask yourself, wait the death star was under construction when oit blew up the second time, What about those innocent construction workers! let's assume that the constrution workers new that they were building an evil machine, Did they deserve to die? now assume that they didnt know they were building an evil machine, did they deserves to die? Either way did they deserve to die?
Acceptable casualties? Crimes by the rebel scum! These animals must be crushed! For Emperor and Imperium! Oh wait, wrong Emperor...
LOL. The Death Star was not an evil machine [unless I am missing something from the EU]. It was a machine built to demolish stuff, just like blasters, just like lightsabers, just like any weapon of war. The builders of the Death Star probably only thought that it was going to be used to a noble purpose/didn't care what it was used for - it was a job and they needed work/were forced into working on it. And remember that 'good and evil' are points of view, not truths. Look at the history of Star Wars in general. A huge slice [in fact, I would venture to say that the majority] of devistating wars in the Star Wars Galaxy were caused directly or indirectly by the Jedi or Dark Jedi/Sith/Dark Side Force welders. All the other wars were minor in comparison. Therefore, the destruction of the Jedi and Dark Jedi would, in theory, bring a great measure of peace to the galaxy. Is this good or evil?
RElatively, Imperial, Wars that have killed more people have NOT been caused by jedi, IE The Clone Wars, the Yuuzhan Vong war, which in total killed several hundreds of trillions of sentient beings, and blew up tons of planets. The Second death star's people were barely getting there at the time of the battle, and i suppose most fled to the surface.
The Clone Wars were the result of the Republic fighting the Sepertists, who were prodded into succession by Palpatine, who was a Dark Jedi Master. Therefore, the Clone Wars WERE caused by a Jedi. Additionally, Palpatine also helped the Komioians create the GAR, which allowed the war to commence/continue. The Vuuzhan Vong war was a little more complicated. The Dark Jedi convinced the Mandalorians to fight the Jedi and the Republic. During the war, Canderous Ordo [AKA Mandalore the Preserver] attacked an astroid that turned out to be a Vuuzhan Vong ship, which fired back and "... melted our armor like wax.". The ship then fled beyond the known space [for that time, according to the Mandalorians' estimates, which were somewhat better than the Republic's] and reported back to the Vuuzhan Vong. Therefore, by way of an unexpected consequence, the Vuuzhan Vong war WAS in fact started by Jedi, Dark Jedi to be precise. It all comes down to the fact that the majority of wars in the Star Wars Universe were caused by Jedi or Dark Jedi, directly or indirectly, intentionally or unintentionally.
About the Yuuzhan Vong, that's incorrect. The Ship fled, but it was part of the Vanguard Vong. By that time, The Yuuzhan Vong had been in Darkspace for at least a thousand years. The Cremlevian war had already happened.
Scratch that, around 10,000 years had the war been done. By the time Canderous fired on the ship, the Yuuzhan Vong had been heading to the galaxy for almost 10 millenia.
I should ignore the double post... I should ignore the double post... Anyways, I was under the impression that the Yuuzhan Vong had something against the use of the Force. Now, who do we know that use the Force? The Jedi's very existence apparently affronted the Yuuzhan Vong. Therefore, they are partly responcible for the war. Edit: Apparently it was a jealousy more than a hate. The Yuuzhan Vong apparently had little to no presence or powers in the Force. Point still stands though.
It was not a jealousy, it was a misunderstanding. And Still, no. The Yuuzhan Vong were going to attack the galaxy whether every person in the galaxy was jedi or whether no one was. They had already been traveling for millenia. And btw, they had been cut off from the force. It was not jealousy, it was simple misunderstanding.
Point taken. However, the Mandalorian aggression officially sparked their desire to move to the Star Wars Galaxy in particular, as opposed to going elsewhere. The Yuuzhan Vong were violent, yes, but they were seeking a new galaxy to live in, not necessarily to war in. The aggression of the Mandalorian drove them into a determination that the galaxy that they were approaching was hostile. Remember that the Mandalorian aggression was the result of the Dark Jedi. Had the Mandalorians not shown the aggression, peace may have been easier to achieve when the Yuuzhan Vong arrived. As for the Force... it was not their REASON for the invasion, but they did hate the Jedi for having it when they did not. They used to have it, but they were cut off from it. This hatred would usually be called jealously. There is also the question of the responcibility that the Jedi/Dark Jedi had in regards to establishing good relations with the Yuuzhan Vong. Though they had planned their invasion long before they actually arrived, the Jedi had had some contact with them. Had the Jedi seized the oppertunity, they may have been able to avoid an invasion. And Palpatine was aware of the threat, but failed to act to the same scale that he could have. He knew and apparently had evidence, but instead chose to start a war amoung the SWG's inhabitants to gain his own power and once he had it he failed to fully inform the public of the coming danger, instead only hinting at it to justify his Imperial Navy.
Incorrect. The Yuuzhan Vong knew that the galaxy was filled up. They knew about the politics of the galaxy for several millenia. They had a war fleet being sent for several millenia. Even if every Jedi andDark Jedi had tried as hard as they could to stop the war, the war would have been started. The Yuuzhan Vong were looking for a place to live, but having to kill the inhabitants was not seen as a deterrent, especially since the inhabitants were foul technological infidels.
Ugh. The EU's lack of coordination makes figuring out what is true and what is not a mess. But in this instance I THINK you may be right. However, I still stand by the fact that the wars caused by the Jedi and Dark Jedi are partly responcible for the Yuuzhan Vong having such a time killing everything. Think about it. If the Jedi and Dark Jedi hadn't been fighting, the living planet that could have ended the war before it started would have been more publically known and the Yuuzhan Vong would not have the motivation to attack since they would have had a new home. But the bumblings of the Jedi allowed the planet to slip away and disappear. Once the planet was revealed to be the seed of their original home, the war collapsed under its own weight and the Yuuzhan Vong stopped fighting. So the Jedi aren't responcible for the war, but they are for the war having gone on for so long. After all, there WAS a Jedi on the living planet when the Yuuzhan Vong found it originally.
I'd say that no one ''deserves'' to die. We die because we must die. I don't see how anyone can lose the right to live. ( but i am willing to to discuss that some people are to dangerous for a society to live, but that is stroy for a another time). In this case i'd agree with kara. that they were ''acceptable casualties''.
