"Occupy" Superthread

You do realize how many times you've contradicted yourself on this thread? And for organized: occupytogether.org, who claim to be the international hub of Occupy movements, claims that they do not represent the Wall Street protesters. That's organization right there.

True you can have a different ideology and still agree on some things, but if you have a bunch of different ideologies, some with beliefs that directly oppose eachother, you are not going to be able to get evryone to agree to a solution, it's just not realisitic. You need leadership that can make executive decisions about what to do, otherwise you just have a bunch factions bickering about what should be done.

There is little necessity to agree on anything right now. The only real goal of the protests right now is to bring to attention the fact that big business owners are stealing money, and manipulating everything to suit them.

Tell me, with all these different ideologys how are we going to unite around one asshole who will try to steal the movement? Power corrupts, so its best to give everyone equal power.

@coexistence, Internet. But this is not about on a nation scale, just a protest scale.

Well, then your movement is ridiculously unorganized and divided. How exactly does it plan on fixing anything?

No power does not necissarily corrupt, did Martin Luther King turn into a tyrant because he was leader of the civil rights protests? You are not going to be able to form a real set of demands by direct democracy, tens of thousands of people from many different ideologies voting on everry little thing does not fucking work, it can't work.

@Evil Knight, the point of any protest is to incite change, not just be attention whores and whine about big buisness.

No, it's much easier to rally around one leader. I was expecting that you'd support this with the name Lenin Cat.

I still think that even with the Internet a direct democracy would be a nightmare. And considering the protests are on a national level.

I gave up leninism a while ago for the world of Anarchism.

Direct Democracy is an utter nightmare to organize. Your also forgetting about voter fatigue if people vote on everything they don't want to vote anymore.

This is not similar to the Egyptian Revolution in any way.

Oh the irony!

They cant expect human decency by shitting and urinating on the property of companies.

I disagree with that, however, I am gonna give the protesters a piece of advice: Stop complaining about every action by the police, it pacifies the spin value. For example: police launch a massive raid on the Wall Street camps and it doesn't even become the top story on CNN.com, it is relegated to the secondary position.

Why should somebody expect human decency in return when they are banging on drums at 3 o'clock in the morning keeping the Americans who by no fault of their own happen to be living there and have to go to work the next day? Why should you expect human decency in return when you demanding that the workers in so-and-so's company be dragged and hanged? Why should you deserve human decency in return when you are shitting and urinating on somebody else's property? Why should you expect human decency in return when you are breaking people's windows with stones?

Damn, I wish I could get away with blatant sensationalism and mindless rhetoric.

Because the motto of America is "Yes, We Do Put Up With Stupid Shit Like This".

Nobody can help who they are born to. Marx and Engles themselves were technically bourgeois. Fidel Castro, and Lenin were born to upper-class families, and I believe Mao and Che Guevara's families were at least upper-middle class.

Hating somebody because they were born to somebody rich is stupid. It's on the same level as hating somebody because of their skin color. If they don't choose to turn themselves around, and if they use their wealth to continue exploiting people, that is different.

But in the end, what I am trying to say is that anybody is welcome in socialism, as long as they give that lifestyle up.

I think you should be telling LeninCat this.

wow....
You do know that Americans are not just the people who aren't protesting... So could you please stop with the "the Americans are getting shit in their face" attitude. You don't have to alienate the protesters and it's definately not a good way to begin a dialogue between what you call "Americans" and protesters.
And could you stop with the complaining and bitching about issues like "shitting, urinating and breaking people's windows"... People have the right to protest and it can't be that bad.

This is what I read: My father is a Republican, and I'm copying words right from his mouth!

Then how would you handle different opinions? Because in the same camp you still have different voices. Who is going gather up these points and decide if they are valid and helpful to the movement? Just curious on you would answer my questions, and please no "fuck leaders" that kind of talk is just childish.