Atomic bombings of Japan Necessary?

Too many unnecessary deaths, brought to you by the power-hungry and anger driven

"I know how to save the Japanese civilians!"

"How?"

"Kill quarter of a million of them in atomic doom, maim them, cause horrific birth defects and radiation sickness which will torture victims for years to come!"

Batallion and Toast. Look at the bodies the Japanese threw at Okinawa. Look at the size of Okinawa and Japan. Use common sense. BAM! You may find out why America dropped the A-Bomb.

The Japanese were so ferocious at Okinawa because it was a final assault. They had already been bombed badly from Iwo Jima and other islands. If the Americans took Okinawa, it was over. The Japanese could be bombed into submission like Germany did with Britain. The Japanese really had no way to combat strategic bombing, it's fleet was long gone. It had no way to defend itself, the Americans could just chip away at them. They were already being pushed out of China, they knew it was futile. They decided to expend everything on Okinawa as a last ditch effort to buy some time from being bombed to shit.

Speaking of the bombings, the Americans had already made millions homeless and killed about half a million people during the firebombings.

That gives no reason as to why they fought so hard for Okinawa. It was a lost cause, defending Okinawa, yet they threw, and I am quoting this "more than 107,000 Japanese and Okinawan conscripts" at the island. 107,000 men for an Island that held no significance of any kind at that point in the war. What is more is that the majority of the 107,000 men were probably willing to die. Such was the mentality of their troops. Now picture this the next island up, and then picture it on the mainland. The risk is not worth it.

If they wouldn't surrender after that first A-Bomb then when do you honestly think they would have chosen to surrender?

I've already told you that they had vital airbases and ports on Okinawa. If they take that, the Americans sever all trade going into Japan and have a base to bomb the shit out of them. I'm not saying that the Americans even had to invade Japan, they could have just bombed them into submission. Plus, the Soviets were attacking Manchuria and they were being pushed out of China steadily.

Like what C-G said, if they were gonna surrender why did they not surrender after the first atomic bomb? The only reason they surrendered after the second atomic bomb was because, like I said before, we had convinced them we had a third atomic bomb and were gonna drop it on Tokyo.

I am starting to question the worth of this thread.

Look at all the circles!

You do realize there were 3 days between the bombings? The government were still deciding on their conditions for surrender. They probably would have surrendered if they witnessed the devastation instead of just being informed of it. They didn't refuse the offer to surrender, they just didn't respond. I'm sure if they had a few more days or a week they would have agreed to surrender, but probably on the grounds that the emperor remain untouched.

"raison d'etat" cardinal richelieu

But seriously, drop this whole "It was for the grater good!" moral feelgood nonsense. We dropped the bomb to test it's capabilities in a real war time scenario. To that extent, I agree with the video Stalin made back in the Youtube days.

I can't wait to see what Yamonoki or whatever the fuck his name is says about this one.

This therad is going no where. All you have is people saying it was for the "greater good" and others saying it was "simple evil" in the end it happened and people were killed there's no changing that all I have to say is that I hope to god that it never happens again.

For some, the Greater good simplified means You should kill the Japanese civvies before they abide by the Emperor's will, which you yourself dictated what he would do.

Have you heard of the Geneva convention? what would they say if a ICBM hit anywhere on the Earth, regardless of how little civilians were harmed? There is no justification and no reason to launch a nuclear attack anywhere on this Goddamned planet.

What I was saying is that I don't like the idea that it was used on a civilian target. I really think that it should of been set off in the water to show off the power of the bomb frist and if that didn't work it should of been used on a military target (which is still fucked up). Also after the first one was set off I think the government should of given more time for the Japanese to surrender before droping the second one.

Yes I have heard of the Geneva Convention its governments that seem to of never heard of it. I reall wish nukes were never god damn invented if I could change anything in history it would be that.
As I will restate

Russia actually agreed wholeheartedly to the dropping of the bombs from what I read. Also, it is not America's fault that Japanese industrial targets are all tightly mixed in with civilian areas. They were indusdtrial targets.

Source if you can?