SWAT team shoots Marine vet. 22 Times

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Soviet Streltsy, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. Soviet Streltsy Well-Known Member

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  2. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    First of all, a search warrant? What the hell is the S.W.A.T doing a search warrant in a middle-class suburban street for? What intel did they have on the family residing in that home! Why would they be heavily armed, armed enough to be on a gang raid, or a terrorist shakedown. I think those issues need to be adressed in a top-of-the line court. In any other matter, what a bunch of bullshit, way to go S.W.A.T.

    I think the United States' police forces need to be reformed, heavily, and prioritized, heavily. Yank coppers have done some pretty outlandish stuff, some of which isn't even comparable to Canada's worst mistake with police; the Regina riot.
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    Well isn't that fucked up.
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    If cops are entering your home the last thing you should do is go for your guns. And it's not like SWAT is just called in at random; if they were there then there's some serious shit going down. As more details come out, I'm confident that this guy won't be seen as such an angel by the media. The information they had going in was that he was a highly trained and very dangerous criminal; that he immediately went for an assault rifle when the police entered his home seems to indicate that they were right.
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    No matter what he did or didn't do, he shot the police with an AR-15. Of course the police are going to shoot back.
  6. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    Any Ex-Marine would do something like that, I'm pretty sure if he had lost anyone in his platoon, whether he knew the said person or not, whether it was in his own fireteam is irrelevant, if he had seen casualties or if he had caused casualties, he would be distressed at that moment.

    Even the members of the armed forces whom didn't even kill or injure a person could have serious psychological problems, and become protective whether his intellectual mind thinks deeply about it or not.

    Point is, someone fucked up, lots of people fucked up, with the entire thing, not just the execution of the raid, but the way the entire thing was thrown together, it was absolutely unacceptable and those police and officials have no justification as to what happened that day, neither does the proposed suspect.
  7. Eridian Well-Known Member

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    I don't think that remotely justifies shooting at the guy 71 times (at most, his actions earn him five bullets)! There were other people in the house!
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    He actually never got the chance to flip the safety off.
  9. pottman Well-Known Member

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    Then the police have really itchy trigger fingers.

    I'm not justifying anything, I was merely pointing out the facts of which I read wrong.
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    It's a sad instance but no one is really at fault, save maybe the people in charge of Tuscon swat for not training their officers to higher standards. Both parties were trained to act the way they did. The victim was trained to conduct himself in a certain manner when dealing with an armed threat, and given the information he had, he conducted himself accordingly. The Swat team was told they were serving a warrant for a potentially armed and dangerous criminal, and when they saw a guy with an assault riffle in their cross hairs they did exactly what they were trained to do.

    Why they fired so many times is the only real tragedy. A well trained officer would have only fired a couple of rounds, and unless the other guy started firing back, would only have been going for a disabling shot, rather then a kill shot. Why the officers felt the need to fire that many rounds speaks very poorly on their training and judgement skills.
  11. pottman Well-Known Member

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    Why was the marine accused of drug trafficking? That my main question. It seems, though, he didn't do anything besides working his ass off in a mine. Could it be that he is Mexican, and people in Arizona don't like them?
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    From what I understand some people in his family were in some shit, and he had past possession charges on his record.
  13. Soviet Streltsy Well-Known Member

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    Well... it is Arizona.
  14. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    Judging the recent history of Arizonan Yanks and Latino's, yes, it could be. Not saying that this is the entirety of the situation but in speaking honestly and without sarcasm with this situation, the people who accused him and issued a search warrant could have originally set that up so that nobody would know, no words would be spoken of this moment had there have been no gunfire. However since shit went down they need to cover their crap and set up "Defense" on word and paper. It is a reasonable question.
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    I know news reports don't show the whole picture and often screw with your sympathy, but this something's rotten in this story.
  16. Romulus211 Proconsul

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    Fucking Arizona.... Your becoming Texas... what happened to you?
  17. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    Ese, come to Canada bro, it's not actually that cold.

    On topic: I'm glad I have the reasoning of an intellectual human beyond their pre-pubescant stage, as many have failed to overcome, as we can see in this report.
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    Indeed. I don't blame them for shooting, but 22 times is positively awful. It doesn't take a masterful shot to disarm and disable someone from a short distance, so it seems like they could have brought him down with only 4 or 5 shots. Or, if necessary, killed him with 1 or 2.
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    Totally Irrelevant.
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    So SWAT should only be deployed to the slums to clean up the trash?! They had a search warrant approved by a US judge and acted accordingly when confronted by a man brandishing an assault rifle. It was unfortunate that they didn't act with more restraint, only a couple of shots were necessary. It is a tragedy, but hardly worthy of the Supreme Court's attention.

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