SWAT team shoots Marine vet. 22 Times

Actually, I accused the policemen of their bad judgement in this kind of situation, from which I understand they are to be trained in that field.

Where and when did I refer to them being deployed in that situation

I would strongly disaggree, what trained military officer would ever agree to them acting accordingly by shooting a civilian, Seventy-one times! For christ sake, not even USMC forces in Operation Shock and Awe did that to a single person running the streets of the largely populated city whether he be combatant or not, regardless of all the munitions dropped and fired from artillery and air support.

They are trained specifically to take down any possible threat to a team member without ensuring their immediate death! For christ sake, seventy-one shots were fired!
Edit: Mind you it was said that most of the team were firing with handguns, and one with an AR-15. An AR-15 doesn't hold that much rounds.

I have two things to say to this.
One, yes it is indeed a necessity for the top in the United States' law regulation service to overlook and take the time to judge it, it is their Job!
And two, who the hell gave you the right to judge whether or not they should do their job, when where and how and what would make their job worthwhile to do, some extremely disgusting threat to all civillians or a domestic dispute in which nobody was hurt?

If someone reaches for a automatic weapon, it's both natural and justified to open fire. The only atrocity here is the amount of rounds fire. I suppose you could also argue they should have attempted to disable him first, but I don't really know enough about the actual situation to make a judgement call.

We should call in the SWAT to deal with this situation.

LeonTrotsky said: ↑

It is a tragedy, but hardly worthy of the Supreme Court's attention.

One, very poor English. It was almost impossible to read. Not to be a grammar Nazi, but seriously, it was bad.
Second, there is nothing for them to judge. The officers went in with a search warrant obtained through the proper channels to the letter of the law. While they may have made poor decisions in the execution of the warrant, even an exceptional and experienced SWAT team would have had the same result. This is not a threat to the domestic safety of Americans in anything more then what would stem from any poor decisions on the part of an officer. It is in fact disgusting that you disregard the law in such a haphazard fashion. In fact, I am much more afraid of this fickle support of the people's chosen law then that of the actions of any of those officers. Still, it was a tragedy, and my prayers go out to the family of the Marine.

I don't think that enough information, clear information, is present for me to make a clear decision, but I am leaning towards police misconduct.
But then, I'm probably just bias in this case since it was a Marine.

What a bullshit statement that has no meaning in this arguement.

Even if it were to be flawless, it will still be looked over, otherwise face judgement by the people and therefore, cause civil unrest had this issue continue to be pushed aside. They are required to, there is always something to do, even if it is just for the purpose of reviewing what happened and not convicting anybody.

Do you really think I am of that bandwagon? Really, do you honestly believe I am for removing the rights of people in certain jobs and replacing them and causing imbalance to my countries' political system? Where do we get in this arguement with petty slanders at people providing their thoughts. You have disregarded my right to oppinion, shall I say the same to you, that you are equally subject to this kind of language?

This has caused the utmost horrifying psychological harm to the fathers' son, what would it be like to you, in your glorified, shining democracy, to see your father, with his guts and all, spread over your house that you have grown to like and live in happily, ensured that you and your family are safe. And what of the girl? her life is ruined, does she not now question her protectors? Should you tell her to just forget what happened and throw her life into the arms of strangers and trust in them that they will not harm her?

This guy was not a good guy. That SWAT was involved at all tells us as much, but the article also states that he was 'the muscle' for his little drug ring. He hurt (maybe killed, given the kind of firepower he was toting) people for a living. As well, he responded in the worst possible way to the police entering his home. There was no misconduct on the part of the police, only on his part.

It could be done with more research into his routines, and not at his home, infront of his child and wife. Usually the police think this shit through before they do it.

As it has been said before, the way they planned it was absolutely rediculous, a bloody drunkard could do a better job organizing a police raid.

Even if he was the bad guy. This was just a fucking sloppy job.

Again, if SWAT is called in, then all other options have been exhausted. This was done because it was deemed necessary.

Really? Because you're obviously more in-the-fucking-know than the people who's job it is to take care of shit like this. We don't even need cops. We'll just have you fucking strategize crime away.

And who has deemed it necessary? Give me names, give me reports, cite your information. What proof does he/she have to have it declared necessary to send in a SWAT team at the home of the suspect and not at his workplace after or before his shift? why not set up an ambush en route to his workplace in which local or state police could arrest him? Have you even considered the options that they could have before writing this?

If you can't respond properly to a snarky half whit comment then that's your problem, stay the fuck away from me with that.
You're a real efficient moderator, do you know that? Escalating the arguement to a point where it becomes unbareable and offensive will not help.

You don't see how unleashing the fucking demon inside suburbia is piss poor performance? Even Matt agrees they were a bit trigger happy.

You realize they were executing a search warrant right? On his house.

@Demon
Trigger happy? Well they certainly shot the piss out of him, but they were 100% justified in doing so.

Well what a fucking well timed and well planned search warrant that was wasn't it?
Jesus Christ.

Why not his car, any mode of transportation he had, why keep it at his home near his kids, his wife, did they smell shit when they came in? Who said so? I want to know. I didn't ask for your damned rhetorical responses, I do not need it nor do I care for it. Why hadn't you cited information yet, you are dumbing down this thread.
If they are justified in the inexcusable use of firearms against a human being, are we justified in removing them from law enforcement service? I'd say so.

Even so, I expect my public servants to have their shit in order when on the job.

Yeah, your criticism sure means a lot, what with your complete omniscience of the circumstance surrounding the incident (like knowing that they were executing search warrant and not trying to arrest him). At least understand the basics of what you're talking about before you try to criticize others for it.

Why not? Does it matter? The warrant was approved and the police saw this course of action as appropriate. Nothing they did was wrong. There wouldn't even be an issue at all had the guy not been so quick to react violently.

What are you talking about? They got a warrant to search his house. They know beforehand that this guy is a trained soldier, that he's very likely (and turns out he did) got weapons in his house, and that his job is to hurt people. The only choice that makes sense in that situation is to send in the people who specialize in these dangerous circumstances. As a matter of procedure, the police did nothing wrong. The SWAT's response to the situation was 100% appropriate. Now maybe they didn't have the skill, or maybe the circumstances simply didn't allow it, but without knowing exactly what went down it's impossible to say that anyone could have done any better in that situation.

The worst part of all of this is that his wife and child witnessed all of this. I can only imagine how much psychological trauma this caused to his son that witnessed his father laying in a pool of blood after being shot to death by SWAT... I feel for the poor kid and wife.

It was deemed necessary by the SWAT team who were there. No one intended to shoot him that many times, but their use of lethal force could not be more justified.

They can complain all they like, but the police didn't act out of line.