Atomic bombings of Japan Necessary?

What? I seriously am lost on what you're trying to say here.

Tell me something, had the Japanese refused to surrender until the last man then what would you have done?

Nagasaki had a large Naval base and Hiroshima had aircraft factories.

But did they have the resources to continue the war.
What options did they have for obtaining resources, their empire was stretched all the way back to Japan itself.

What makes you think that if I were an Allied commander, that I would have chosen to stay in the path of that war, and continue to kill Japanese people until there are none left?

There's a little thing called Diplomacy. Screw with the Emperor himself, ashame him or whatever you can do to end the war without causing massive shame to your country for as long as history can go.

I do think that the dropping of the first bomb was at least reasonable, but the second one wasn't, it was a mistake. The Japanese were actually willing to negotiate after the dropping of the first bomb, but due to shitty translators, we thought they said they wouldn't.

Ok lets get something straight, an outright invasion, would have caused more deaths for both sides of the conflict then either of the atomic bombs did. over hundred thousand dead is horrible, but hundreds of thousands maybe even over a million are even worse. The Japanese at the time, were fanatics. If you want example just look at the kamikaze bombings, or maybe the fact that they were still finding japanese holdouts over twenty years after the war(I believe the last one was finally convinced to stop in the late sixties).

I believe they agree at the Potsdam Conference. I could be wrong though.

Do you even read my entire post before jumping the gun? Is that what you're inclined to do?

Nobody wants an invasion, nobody wants nuclear weapons, so, what can we use to prevent both? What makes you think that Nuclear weapons are the only means of stopping the war? Even you had said that there were holdouts even after twenty years. An invasion would definately cause mass deaths, but an end to the war. And before you post something about the sentance above, I had clearly said, that I, and many others, do not think that both Nuclear weapons and a mainland Invasion would do any good to anybody.

Those are the only two things that would have gotten Japan to surrender unconditionally.

No, they were the only two that have been proven in history. With disasterous consequences
Nuclear weapons would be that second.

I'd rather bash Japan relentlessly with diplomacy for years rather than end it all in the matter of two air raids. You could have, if you hadn't been treating Japanese-Americans so badly, and if Japan itself could see that you are giving such a good life to Japanese-Americans, that would definately affect them, and may convince some to drop what they're doing and may convince the higher-ups and maybe even the Emperor himself that the war must stop, for they have no reason.

THEY WERE ONLY WILLING TO ACCEPT PEACE ON THE TERMS THAT THEY KEPT POWER.

Repeating your ever so apparant loop in the thread in capital letters will get you no where.

If you can't understand what I mean by ending the war, than that is your fault.

oh ok, so you think we should just be in constant state of war surounding their island for years not doing anything but repeatdly asking for their surrender. That is just genious, I wonder why the allied commanders didn't think of that? Oh wait, it was a FUCKING WAR! The goal of a war is to defeat your enemy, and you can't deafeat your enemy by just sitting around for years asking for them to surrender. You must break their will to fight by convincing them they have allready lost. In japan's case they would have kept fighting if we had used a conventional invasion, and just sitting there for years asking for their surrender with no further action would just make us look weak. The only real option was to use a weapon no one had seen before, one that would shock them into surrendering.

Thank you.

At this point I am questioning every damned thing you know about your country and of World War 2 in the Pacific ocean.

Do you know you guys currently have military bases in every continent of this planet? A lot of them?
Your armies do sit around doing nothing, whether in a war or not.
You're not worth anybody's time.

And this has to do with the topic at had how?

Ok, way to avoid any of my points, and yes the U.S. military never does anything, it's not like we are involved in two conflicts right now, or how we have numerious military operations occuring around the globe right this second, nope our troops just sit around and do jackshit all day living the good life.

@slydessertfox no problem.

Can somebody please explain to me how "What America's military does at the moment" has anything to do with why we should or should have not dropped the a-bomb.

Anyway if an invasion occurred you guys would be saying we should have dropped the bomb.

I'm gonna let this one see where it goes.