School & Education

Those times are few and far between.

Nonsense. One of the very concepts of a private school, whether you like it or not, is to filter out societies undesirables. Sure, you aren't going to be bumping into those kids in a business career, but by the act of filtering them, you are depriving the child of any experience dealing with them. That's not a good thing, at all. And by filtering out societies undesirables, the lower class also get's left out, leaving your child ill equipped to deal with a good lot of people. You need to be socially versatile in dealing with all classes and races, and that's just not something a private school provides.

I agree there. In social environment it is the same, but education wise, it at times can be very poor, as I have experienced.

Edit: @Imperial: Is your sig an Ender's Game reference per chance?

Edit: I am referring to certain private schools for poor education. Wanted to make that clear.

Delinquents and minorities exist in private schools. There really isn't a difference between attending similarly sized private and public schools with regard to social interaction.

How, and where? Are they paying? Are they letting them in? Seems contradictory to some of the points of a private school. Sure, there's going to be the rebellious rich kid who's dad will pay for a easier ride, but not enough to get the full social package.

I'll go with Kal on this one. If you have enough money they'll basically let you do anything. That includes drugs, alcohol, assault etc. It is just that they feel entitled when they do it. That goes for public to occasionally.

Well if the point of school is to showcase 'the full package' then most public schools also fail to prepare students for life. And believe it or not private schools aren't always chock-full of rich white kids. Most classes in a private school would be utterly indistinguishable from their public school counterparts in terms of delinquency, race, socioeconomic status, etc. Obviously there are exceptions, where the inner-city ghetto schools aren't going to be the same as St. Richy-riches Academy for Stuckup Bitches, but both of those examples are indeed exceptions, not the rule.

Well, while I admit my private school is not as bad as some center city public shools, we still have plenty of deliquents, drug users, fights etc. The main reason I go there is because the quality of the education is better then the average highschool.

I agree to an extent. I went to a Catholic elementary/grade school. 1. The majority of people there were white Italian Americans, there were very few minority students. (However, the school was in a predominantly minority town). 2. Most of the students were, as Kal would say, Stuckup B***s, many of them would be considered lower-middle to lower class. What I'm trying to get across here is that there is no real general description of a private school, each is individual.

Only the social "full package". And that's what a public school does. It shows you the full slate of what your getting, regardless of wealth, social standing, or anything else.

Never said they were.

So your telling me, that in a school you have to pay to get into, I'm going to find plenty of lower-middle and lower class kid's? Seems unlikely, and a drastic change from almost every thing I know about private schools. Also, I have a hard time believing that your going to find a equal amount of trouble makers. Hell, most kid's there might smoke and drink, but that's fairly standard high school activity. Also, if they skate by like Coex said, that's just instilling a whole different kind of wrong social standard into these kids.

Though there were some like I described, there were others similar to LeonTrotsky and I. Lower-middle class, hard working , and intelligent people living in a not-so-ok neighborhood.

When I was around private schools, shit like that was unheard of. Still, I think my point still stands. Off the top of your head, would you not say that you were a minority. Also, wouldn't a private grade school be considerable more accessible to the middle and lower class than a private high school?

First I would say that being from completely different nations probably alienates our points of view. But on school, I'd sat lower middle was the minority, middle was the majority, upper middle to upper were the smallest minority. But even so, just because we paid didn't mean the school wasn't shittier materials wise then the local public school.

My point was that public schools fail just as much in that regard as private schools might, for the same reasons. Your stereotyped view of private schools as sheltered havens for the elite is just that: a stereotype. For most private schools the only significant difference from public school is that the curriculum is changed.

Your entire argument is that they are. The only reason that they would be unable to offer the 'full social package' or whatever BS that is is because you claim they are composed of the societal elite.

Yes.

Probably because you've lived with that stereotype unchallenged. And even if your claim were true, it doesn't make private schools worse. It would mean the exact opposite.

It's not, really.

It would seem that private schools are a far cry from what I'm used to, and the ones close to me growing up. Perhaps I don't have enough experience with them, but the idea of private school being open to all classes seems... foreign at best. Ah well, learn something new everyday.

Either your area is really weird, or you were hanging out with a vastly different crowd than I did.

Apparently Kansas is fucking wired. I remember Kali mentioning having actual functioning public transit.... In America.....

So like San Francisco?

Sure?

I don't know about that... it doesn't sound like the U.S.'s education system is doing all that well...

These are from Shadow of the Hegemon. I put them in because they are... awesome. No other way to describe them, really. They make sense to me.

This is a reference to the Enderverse, yes. But they cross multiple books. I put it up because it is related to my current status and was part of one of my responces to one of Kali's posts.