Friends Without Benefits:Its Time to Say What We Already Know-America's Pakistan Policy isnt working

They don't really control Syria, I mean kinda but not entirely. Plus when Syria has a revolution that'll cause them to lose their influence.

Iraq, I'm not sure. The Iraqi government will not soon turn out in support of Iran, but if the Arab Springers become anti-American and pro-Iranian they might have a chance at bringing the country into their influence. Also, I think that if a revolution happens in Iraq the Kurds could revolt and form Kurdistan. I have that hunch because they've been so cooperative with the new Iraqi government and could fear a return of someone like Hussein who will start gassing them and shit.

They control Syria with a passion, Al Assad and his family has to suck the dick of Iran to get anything done. This little revolution thing they have going on is such over blown by the media as the fall of Al Assad, however one can easily tell there is no signs of it being as such. For the Military of the country still backs Al Assad (Except a couple of Saudi brigadiers, however this is not enough to topple the government) for the most part unlike in Egypt or Libya the government and Military Still supports Al Assad.

However the revolution will case more then likely Al Assad to panic and look to his one true friend:Iran, this will not only increase Iranian power in Syria but allow Iran and very clear path to Israel. Look for relations to increase between the two countries.

Iraq is a nation that is split into the sunni/shia camp more heavily then any other, and right now the Sunni camp is in charge and is seen as pro-western and weak, the shia camp which is making huge gains with the population will use the U.S withdraw to increase political pressure inside Iraq and eventually become a puppet of Iran.

The Kurds, that's anybodies guess who they will go to. Though right now the Kurds are more or less fleeing to Turkey.

Proof please.

Another example of how the people hate you because you do not respect them

"There is no beauty in the finest cloth if it makes hunger and unhappiness."

And it is hypocritical. It means that if there was really ever the America-touted 'Democracy' in the Middle East, that the people would vote to kick the U.S. to the curb immediately. So in the meantime, you support dictators and your nose grows ever longer.

Run out? Hardly.
I'm just giving everyone a fair chance to gawk at your stupidity.

Within my first ten posts on this forums I already explained that to you. That you have a faulty memory unit Made in America is not my fault nor my problem. If you want to know, you can always pull up the thread.

Installing a democracy isn't exactly a good thing, but I will let you have that one, simply because it hasn't been long enough to see how things pan out. As for Saudi Arabia and Iran, well, if you consider the royals and religious officials profiting off of and abusing the people, well, that's a pretty twisted sense of prosperity. Those countries are wracked with corruption, and give no man his proper rights.

Every poll I've seen, every person I've talked to, and most of the political parties on the TV screen are wary of America. It's not a assumption, it's clear as day and a major issue in our upcoming elections.

First off, the UN can request shit all they want, but we don't have to comply. America has saved tail and veto'ed things in the past, but it's no longer a major part of the Israeli effort to retain hegemony over Palestine. Besides, America just recently asked us to return to 1967 borders. That's certainly not in line with the majority (unfortunately) of our governments view on the issue.

Israel is of extreme strategic importance in the region, and we've got China, Russia, and myriads of other countries looking to wheel and deal with us. Israel can stand on it's own two legs, especially without America telling us who we can and can't deal with.

How about Saudi Arabia?

That's entirely why the Middle East dislikes us, obviously.

Actually it makes them not hungry. Happiness is done on a person level, it's not our fault they're obsessed with hating their benefactors.

No they wouldn't. Turkey, for example.

No, you ran out of ideas is all.

I think Ive already got an enemy on these forums

Have I even talked to you yet? You must be really shitty at thinking from other people's perspectives if you already consider me an enemy. Or your talking about Matt/Imperial/Socrates and then it's the same thing too.

If anything is certain, it's this.

Pakistan is fucking crazy and Pakistanis, not their government, are the reason. Of course the fact that they have a state religion certainly doesn't help.

As a strategic ally, Pakistan is a mixed bag. They're really fucking terrible at everything and anything we have them do, and they aren't particularly trustworthy. And yet, it's by far better for us to be on good terms with them than to alienate ourselves from them. For one, they allow us to conduct pretty much any operation we want in their borders, and they will occasionally actually assist us. Additionally, the "good" Pakistan (primarily the east side) is proactive in combating the "bad" Pakistan/Taliban, which means that we don't have to.

But far more important than anything COIN-related is that Pakistan has nuclear weapons and isn't a signatory of the NPT. And it's bordered by another nuclear state that isn't a signatory of the NPT. And they hate each other. If for no other reason, it's important that we maintain a military relationship with Pakistan because we can monitor and potentially alleviate tension with India. Anyone out there who thinks Westphalian-style balance of power/hegemony maintenance is a dead IR theory should look at the situation that exists between India and Pakistan. It's crucial to the stability (and more bluntly, safety) of the globe that we prevent tensions between the two nations from escalating, and to do that we've got to be proactive in building and maintaining our military and political relationships with both sides.

Couldn't have said it better myself. However Kali what do you think will be the future between India and Pakistan?

Kara has earned a lot of enemies on the forums.

Your right, it's better if it's better to let them be an oppressive dictatorship that kills its own people. But it's alright, because they're foreign people so it doesn't really matter.

Again, their GDPs have been going through the roof. I already showed Saudi Arabia, here's Iran.
Even if the religious officials and royalty gets most of the profit, the countrymen will always benefit in some way even if it's indirect. For instance, lower taxes, many jobs, etc. If most of the wealth that we've bestowed upon them gets stolen that's not our fault, it's the fault of Saudi Arabia or Iran.

The media biases things all the time. Why, during the 2008 American Election a few reporters were caught talking about how to make Obama seem as great as possible. All reporters are not that bad, but this shows how easily a journalist can get biased.

Every person around me that I talk too is a staunch liberal(outside my immediate family). That doesn't mean the majority of the state is.

Pretty much the same as what I said before. Just because Israel has several "war of America" parties doesn't mean they'll get to power.

Your right, it's misled data.

Actually you do. And if you keep doing all the belligerent shit you do without getting "approval" from America it CAN'T end well for you.

It's the only thing making it "legal" still.

Yes, you picked the wrong President to have this on. Obama is the least pro-Israeli President in a long while. You should've done it with Bush. Then you could just do whatever.

Israel isn't of very much strategic importance. Ya, maybe politically because it's the Holy Land but other places, for instance, Egypt, are much more important. Militarily it's not much of a strategic point.

Yes, and do you think they would've let you occupy the Sinai? Let you build homes along the Golan Heights? No, of course not. And I'd hardly call it "standing on it's own two legs" if your just shifting trade to Asian markets.

Why are you plebs discussing Israel in the topic about Pakistan?

He does both. I insist you go back and look at the European Imperialism thread. I believe it is in the general philosophy section. It was quite old but it basically shows you how hypocritical Kara is.

I completely agree.

lol. Poor Matt has that load of horse shit to respond too?

Maybe we could split the thread. Keep this one about Pakistan, the other can be a Kara vs the Entire Forums Systematic Debato-Dickslapathon. I want to see him destroyed for my entertainment.

I lol'd, nice name!

THIS IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO PAKISTAN, GET THE FUCK BACK ON TOPIC YOU FUCKERS.