Chinese peasants geting uppity

State capitalism is synonymous with real-world communism. And this discussion isn't central to the topic in any case.

So if I get this correctly you are arguing that "real-world communism" is actually capitalism?

ps: I put a ps in my previous post.

Bahahaha, All "socialist" states(and I use that term loosely) never claimed to achieved communism, many haven't even claimed to have achieved socialism. "Real-World" Communism is just your way of saying you don't think communism is possible. Communism existed in the real world for thousands of years, in primitive society.

Communism as an ideology is separate from communism as a geopolitical reality. Those who identify as communists are labelled as such. They are inspired by the communist ideology and justify their actions with communist rhetoric. China is no different. And again, this isn't the purpose of the topic.

Everyone wants to ignore the injustice that goes on in China because it's not their problem; well to hell with that.

If you claim to be a communist or socialist or even just a decent human being then you will decry the Chinese for this ridiculous offense against liberty and justice. Your first reaction to this news shouldn't be "YOU CAN'T DEFINE ME CAPITALIST MAAAAAN, I'M NOT GONNA BE PART OF YOUR SYSTEM!" Your first reaction to this news should be "FUCK THE PRC. FUCK IT IN ITS ASS."

You want to fight a big scary oppressive system? Then look no further, because this is how you do it. Stand by your values outside of the context of the West or anti-Americanism for once and let people know that it's okay, no, more than okay, to throw a big "fuck you" China's way. The only reason they get away with this shit is because we tolerate it. Not because we actually accept that what they're doing is right, but because we're too damn scared to speak out for basic human dignity, or we're too apathetic to give a fuck. Well that's garbage. Joe Nobody doesn't care about China or democracy or liberty or human rights or fucking anything, then that's fine, because Joe Nobody doesn't pretend to care about those things. But you lot do. Some of you don't even think you're pretending, and some of you indeed may not be. That makes it all the more intolerable to see this kind of blasé response to such unbelievable and inexcusable injustice.

The divide between right and wrong is very clear here, and by choosing to ignore what's right you're enabling the people who are wrong to perform evil.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

And Goddamned if that isn't the truth.

Sure, I think its quite self-evident the Chinese state is bad. But I mean what do you want us all to do? Fill the thread with "the PRC is bad mkay"-posts, its much more fun to react to your (intentionally) vague posts.

It's self-evident, yes, but that doesn't mean you just shelf it and move on. That kind of mentality is exactly why China is allowed to do the atrocious things it does. It irks me to no end when I see people just passively accept this kind of thing as an immutable fact, and then raise hell and put on an air of righteous indignation when their ideology suits them.

So because some people on some forum care more about something that happens in their own country, a country that is supposed to be free and democratic, then about something that happens half across the world in a regime that is known to be repressive, China is allowed to commit human rights violations?

It doesn't matter where you live. By not actively voicing your opposition to these incidents, you're giving the Chinese legitimacy. We have the capacity to do something about this. Even just as citizens, making the Chinese aware that what they're doing is being watched by the world will affect their behavior. And people should care about what happens in their country, absolutely. But at the same time, the greatest injustices are both apparent and external. Apathy and ignorance are no excuse for tolerating them, especially when we can step in and change the way things are done, right now.

These atrocities occur because we allow them to. Because we accept them as just another part of reality. It's not just the individual reactions of forum members that annoy me, it's the entire mindset behind those reactions.

Fuck China, and fuck hypocritical Commies who turn a blind eye to their complete disregard of human rights. If only there was free press in China, maybe you'd take it seriously. If anyone's supposed to be rioting, it's the Chinese. Don't dismiss them just because their economy is climbing. The CPC has no hope in hell if the peasants start getting unruly, that's why they keep suppressing news outlets.

And a Chinese ask you: "What is this free press? Can you eat it?"

Actualy the best way to actively not support China is to speak with the most powerfull tool western citicens have, to speak as the consumer. I personaly try to avoid products made in China like the plague. Sure i am fortunate enough to afford buying stuff made in the west or any place not china and often i fail to not buy chineese made products because of the lack of alternatives. But i sure as hell can try my best at it. I personaly detest the chinese government deeply and everybody actively promoting it. But i am just one little person in the world and people don't care for other people as long as it ensures cheap products.

If Western governments really wanted to do something about this they should grow some balls and stop trading with China. Otherwise boycotting Chinese goods is impossible, those are ubiquitous in every single store.

Just how in the hell can you avoid Chinese products? What other alternatives are there, Thailand? It's a good concept, but it's hard to avoid picking up a Chinese product. I'm really not going to go out of my depth to boycott China.

How about Taiwan? I'm sure 'made in Taiwan' was the lowest of the low at some point.

Well by not actively voicing your opposition to the regimes of:

DRC Congo
Republic of Congo
Iran
Myamar
Saudi-Arabia
North-Korea
Russia
Afghanistan
Sudan
Central African Republic
Zimbabwe
Yemen
Oman
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Laos
....etc

you are actually giving all these regimes legitimacy.

Look I am not saying you shouldnt be mad at some regime, but there alot of these sorts of regimes and you cant expect everyone to go into a tantrum whenever we get some message of something repressive happening in the world.

Not anymore, we gotten better at making shit. And, Taiwanese labor ain't cheap.

For most goods it is actualy pretty easy. For example clothes, i am a man so i don't need that many pieces so i pick up shoes that are made in germany, suits made in italy and generaly just look at the lable. Also my work-clothes are made in switzerland and that is what i mostly wear anyway. The hard part starts with electronics, it is downright impossible for me to get a new cellphone, I am still using a almost 6 year old Motorola (made in the US).
Completely ignoring Chineese products is impossible if the products contains a large amount of parts. Try buying a car or a computer that has not a single part of china in it, it is imopossible. I repetedly get laughed at from my friends and family for this (in their eyes) redicolous behaviour and to be honest they might be right sometimes, but i am just completely anal about this policy of mine, even to the point of me returning gifts like Iphones etc.
I object chinese products not solely for a political reason but also for economic and quality reasons, i just don't agree with shipping all the jobs to another place (specialy if policly fucked up) and let's be honest most chineese made products are just junk the last not longer then 2 or 3 years, but that is just the swiss in me.

Its more important with China because China actually has a large influence over the world. China is where all the jobs are going. That is why it is more important to openly denounce China than Uzbekistan because China is a major world economic power.

I really wish this would evolve in to country wide protest.

This is the greatest news ever, suck it you Chinese government basterds.