Rewriting U.S Bill of Rights

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  1. Kalalification Guest

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    Yeah, no.

    The 13th Amendment:

    Kalalification, Dec 15, 2011
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  2. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    Edit: Kali ninja'd me.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
    Also, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
    I can't find anything remotely like what your saying.
    Karakoran, Dec 15, 2011
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  3. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    "...except as punishment for a crime whereof..."
    This was combined with the so-called Black Codes, which had the 'vagrant' clause.

    So I was only half right.
    I'm not sure, but I BELIEVE that the Black Codes were nullified, yes?

    But in any case, I see no reason to include the "except as punishment for a crime whereof..." and what comes after it.
    Imperial1917, Dec 15, 2011
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  4. Kalalification Guest

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    No, you were not right at all. The Constitution is completely separate from state and federal laws. The purpose of the 'punishment for a crime whereof' has nothing to do with the Black Codes. It means that people who have been convicted of a crime might be forced into labor.

    They were unconstitutional when they were written, and obviously have gone by the wayside.

    Because labor as punishment is frequently used and seen as acceptable. Community service is one example.
    Kalalification, Dec 15, 2011
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  5. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Yea, I mean there's a little something to what you're saying, but it was never racially specific in policy or practice. If you do want to study some more post civil war racism look at the slaughterhouse cases, the chinese exclusion act/case, and Plessy v Ferguson... Different from what you're talking about, but show the kind of attitudes that may have led you to believe something like that could have existed
    pedro3131, Dec 15, 2011
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  6. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    According to the text that I read, the Black Codes were made around the same time and there were outrages with the connection to the Amendment.
    That still does not answer my question. What is logically struck down isn't always done. I was asking for confirmation and a reliable source.
    A valid point [conserning the community service thing], but I'm hesitant to claim that the effectiveness constitutes keeping the Amendment clause.
    Imperial1917, Dec 15, 2011
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