Socialists and the fetish of welfare states.

Yes, I am sure.

Cool, do workers recieve 100% payment for their labor or does a capitalist take part of it?

The nuclear family is when you have 2 people(usually man and women) and a few children in suburbia or a apartment. This has been enforced in western culture for decades.

Yes, I am a feminist. I know there are male prostitutes, and no I wouldn't have all of us wear gray jogging sets. I just wouldn't do shit like label dresses "female" and suits "male".

No, a capitalist hirers people to build a factory and then has others work in it with the capitalist doing NO WORK BESIDES PAPERWORK it does not defend the workers, it protects the capitalists right to exploit workers out of the stuff THEY made and further exploit them out of the products they will make. It enforces the rule of the rich with massive violence.

In a local community, you can get consent.

Who oppresses the youth? Culture and institutional schooling.

@Mayor not only would it be extremely unlikely for a simplatin like me to win a election, In dont want too. Syndicalism isnt terrorism, its a response to the robbery of the working people. It does not involve hanging people, it involves organizing workers into one big union and having massive general strike to shut down capitalism and the state. That contract is based on the fact the worker will face poverty if he doesnt agree, its like saving someone from drowning on the agreement they will have sex with you.

@Coexistence, No, but they all have to do with hierarchy.

But they probably pay other sorts of taxes such as property taxes (am not that familiar with the american tax system so I could be wrong). Also its not like you dont need to not fill in your tax receipt and stuff, and you would still be punished when you decide to ignore the IRS, in this case its just decided that your income is low enough for you not to pay certain forms of taxes.

wow really cat? your a feminist now? and not a very good one from the points you have tried to make.

I've been a feminist for years, I'm just usually not very vocal about it.

While this is a little off topic, why are you a feminist? Women already have equal rights and get pretty much all the opportunities men do. So whats the point, what more do women have to fight for?

I'm not really a feminist... I just live 21st century modern Europe and dislike the whole idea/concept/doctrine or whatever it's called that religion has taught us for centuries: Women are inferior to men in some kinda way!

So we are all(that's what you said): persons who are the legal property of another and are forced to obey them. How exactly does that work? It doesn't even make sense.

Oh no.. Don't sneak out of this one. You said workers were oppressed and with all those benefits they clearly aren't.

Oh, my bad... It was encouraged in some countries(and that doesn't include Denmark)

Well the bodies of males and females are different. Therefore it's obvious that there will be different styles for men and women.

Paperwork is work. Hence the work part.....
If a untrained and unqualified person took control of the "factory"(even tough that's in the minority) it would propably close relatively quickly. In that sense the workers let the capitalist keep some of the money. It's what I like to call a human symbiosis. They benefit from each other.
Now the state protect the right of everybody to own. There are of course exceptions.(humans)

[/quote]In a local community, you can get consent.[/quote]
How local are we talking? 30 sure. 300 mabye. 3000 no way. You want the world to be divided into groups of 300?

Even if I agreed culture is a part of who we are. How would you destroy that and at what cost?
Institutional schooling(and I suppose you mean public here) is a way to give everybody a fair chance.

i can see why, as most of your points are very stupid, and they way you try to make them a problem with capitalism makes me sick.

So you people in america dont actually need to fill in you tax receipt?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

There oppressed because they dont get the full value of there labor.

So this is not usually the case?

Dont you agree that "cross"dressers get looks? It shouldnt even be called cross dressing.

Such hard work deserving of millions of dollars and wage slaves.

I wonder why cooperatives are alive and well.

gl owning your workplace when someone else already owns it for millions or billions of dollars.

Nah, you just need people to consent to the communitys runnings, it is practical, people will self organise and work things out.

Even if I agreed culture is a part of who we are. How would you destroy that and at what cost?
Institutional schooling(and I suppose you mean public here) is a way to give everybody a fair chance.[/quote]
Nono, im a supporter of unschooling and democratic education.

Bravo Lenincat. You have elevated yourself to a new level of idealistic nonsense. You talk of indoctrination, but it honestly looks like most of your arguments are copy and pasted from Marx's ass and have no personal input whatsoever. I mean really, "Down with public education." Because the education in a Communist society will be so much less biased. The PAPERWORK, as you describe it, that the boss does is important in transforming what a worker makes into a viable product. Without that how can the worker make any money whatsoever? They cannot make 100% off what they made because they did not do 100% of the work selling it. Give me one modern example of violence between the economic classes. And as I recall yellow dog contracts and black lists were made illegal by this 10th level of Hell known as "Capitalist society." And tagging on women's, gay, transgender, and whatever other random social issue to capitalism just shows you're running out of options.

They don't need the 100% of the product labor and sale, the said product will be dispersed to the people.. In a communist society.

Americans...
Anyways you still dont have control over whether or not you will have to pay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_benefits
You can actually have a normal life off of it in Denmark.

They can quit and start their own cooperative if they want to. Clearly they don't. So they aren't.

Not really... At least I don't think so.

Yeah sure, but that's because it's unusual.

In Denmark they are taxed heavily(60%) and there is no such thing as a wage slave. You can quit and still have a normal life with the unemployment benefits.

I support cooperatives, but most of the times they just don't work. You need a capable leadership, and most of the times you can't get that from the workers.

Well then start your own if you hate them so much... If you want you can even make it owned by the workers.

So basically magic? And how do you think countries started in the first place?

Unschooling?! Can't you hear how stupid that sounds and is?

GAH! So much hand-tool mentality.... Ideologues everywhere.....

Forever?

You have so little startup capital compared to the multinational corporations.

Pretty sure of it.

and dont people do discrimination aganist them?

Dont tax theft, ban it. Sure, you can live off them forever right?

No, you dont.

Because corporations have a massive lead.

No, basicly cooperation.

look it up.

The first two years(half a year if you don't apply for any job) you get 90% of your previous wage. Even after the two years you still get a decent amount of money. You and your kids could have a normal life.

I can't really see why that would matter in most businesses.

Well you're propably right...

Well it's against the law, but I'm sure there is discrimination against them.

I don't live off them. The rich people are just as dependent on the rest of society as the rest of society is dependent on them.

You don't need someone capable? That's a first...

If cooperatives are so great you should be able to catch up.

You do know that people are greedy right? It's not everyone that thinks being part of a cooperative is the greatest thing in the world(though I wouldn't mind)

I did, and it's still stupid. How would they even learn how to read?