My Polish ancestors who fought for not only there country but for there Honor would want there offspring to die with honor. So if needed I will die for Honor.
The amount of bullshit in this thread makes me sick. You would all die for honour would you? And what honour is this exactly? Do you have some kind of warped, morale obligation to die for honour? What the fuck is honour? What the fuck would you accomplish by dying for honour? Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Nichts. Rien. Niente. It is a pointless stupid death, the only thing that anyone should actualy die for is by defending their life and family. It is the only logical thing to die for. Honour has completely fuck all to do with your life, and if your family would want you to die then I would seldom call them family. Grow. The. Fuck. Up.
And yet, you are out-voted. Clearly, there is something that you do not understand about honor that everyone else here does.
Am I really though? If I were to give you a gun, and I told you to shoot a baby or kill yourself what would you do? Would you shoot yourself?
Oh, those things. Generally, the best option in such a situation is shoot the person who gave you the gun.
You talk of that as if it were a matter of honor and that you know that. Honor is not a simple matter, I have never heard someone call it that, and so I answer that your theoretical situation lacks the depth necessary for me to make an informed decision. Too many details are missing. But if you want the answer to the question you posed: I would shoot myself. And remember that in some societies, people think with a group mentality, not an individual one.
If death is a certainty, Id rather face my faith like a fucking man than running away from death. Thats what honor is to me.
So any other death than an "honourable" one instantly means you're running away? I'm not afraid to be dead, and even though the dying part itself might be...unpleasant, I couldn't care how it happens.
All I know is charge right into the face of battle and dye with honor azaaaaaaaaa, though the Japanese have all of us beat when it comes to Honor.
Because everyone knows that killing yourself because you lost is intelligent. If a death is a certainty then you will die anyhow. It is not an honourable death if it is inevitable. The point I was trying to make is that you can't necessarily define honour. Dieing so save a thousand, is that honourable? Ten thousand dieing to save one, is that honourable? Giving your life for a child with an unspecified future, is that honourable? If you die to save your family, is that not selfish? What if you could save a bigger family instead of your own? Is that honourable? I just don't think that honour it is as clear cut as most people seem to think it is. It depends on your culture and on your upbringing.
Please tell me you have a rational understanding of the concept of Bushido and more specifically Seppuku before making claims that the Japanese (Though more specifically Samurai) where not intelligent. The samurai that got to use Seppuku where going to usually be captured by the enemy and thus be subdued to torture, unless your arguing that it would should have gone through torture. Next it could also be used for people about to get issued capital punishment and thus because they where about to die the only way they could die with some forum of honor is to kill one self (the shame society of Japan played a huge role in this, which they took there ritual suicides far more seriously then the Romans or Arabs ever did) it was never a "well I lost time to go kill my self" type of thing it was granted with permission to give the person the right to kill themselves because there victor killed them. They where going to die and the best thing to do was to kill themselves, although very rarely was it ever done in private a kaishakunin would do that. To understand it, you have to be apart of the Japanese culture and the honor code of the Bushido. (Speaking of, I highly recommend you pick up the book Hagakure)
So you do believe in honor? How else would you be able to define what kind of a death is honorable and what is not, right? But in the end, what honor is depends on the individuals mindset. Some societys for example the Japanese youre talking about up there consider suicide to be the honorable choice if you have brought dishonor to your family. During the Great War, it was to my understanding considered that every young man was to join the army when the war started, if he didnt it would have been dishonorable and cowardly, even if the individual himself didnt see it that way, the society did. Of course, like you, not everyone cares about honor, and theres nothing wrong with that, it is after all just another fake excuse for us to justify our actions and in extreme cases death. I for one believe that running away from ones fate is dishonorable, and therefore I will be facing my death head-on, that is if Im granted the luxury of choosing when and how I am to die, if I get stabbed in the neck while having a piss, well thats too bad. Some people may believe that its honorable to die defending your home, some may believe that the only honorable way to die is with a mouth full of dicks. Humans, man. We so crazy.
Yes so suicide means you won, That means Hitler is the big winner and the people he killed are the losers.
