What if William the Conqueror didn't win at Hastings in 1066?

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  1. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    But what if the awesome vikings had won, and what about the crusades and all the other fine junk?
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    Fail on my part then.
  3. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    What was that one war when the Varangian guard was made up of former anglo-saxons and they got destroyed by Normans.
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    How the hell can the Varangian Guard, the guard of the Byzantine Emperor have Anglo-Saxons?
  5. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    The varangian guard was full of people from all over sworn to loyalty to the emperor, there has been dutch, Nordic, English, Rus, Germanic, and any others all served the Emperor.
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    The Varangian Guard was made up of foreigners because they would be less likely to align with a rival faction to the emperor. Anglo-saxon refugees made up a significant portion of the unit in the aftermath of Hastings.

    As for a Saxon victory at Hastings, Harold's battle-weary forces would have struggled to keep the country together and England may very well have crumbled into smaller nations, as it was in the not too distant past.
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    And then some giant asshole would have reunited it correct?
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    Oh ok. I never knew they were made up of foreigners. Makes sense now that I think about it.
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    and they died......in battle the end.
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    So by that, the Norwegians could have taken control of Brittain?
  11. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    Didn't the Vikings conquer every English kingdom except one a couple centuries earlier?
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    Which one would that be? Cornwall?

    Also, Feyenoord won with 4-2.
  13. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    Actually, it was Wessex. Quite close to Cornwall, though.

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    Probably messed up my history by a few centuries.
  15. Achtung Kommunisten! Well-Known Member

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    Technically Mercia survived as well, but it was fatally weakened (lost the East Midlands) and ultimately became part of Wessex.
    Anyway, as Saxon forces beat back the Vikings before the battle of Hastings, i'd like to think that Saxon England would've continued along fairly similar lines to Norman England, maybe more, maybe less successfully. Who knows? It would've been a world of possibility. And we wouldn't have had such a poncey nobility. Would also have been interesting to see what the Normans would've done without England; whether they'd have been assimilated into France, or assimilated France into them. Or even have maintained an independent Normandy. That would've made Western Europe interesting, putting Belgium, the Netherlands, France, Switzerland and Normandy on more equal terms potentially. Who knows?
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    The Netherlands probably wouldn't even have existed, because one of the main things helping the Netherlands in our war if independence was the Spanish being distracted by the English and the Armada being destroyed.
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    True (I always forget Spain dammit - must be because us British are more interested in France and Germany), but I suspect Spanish influence so far north had plenty of other threats. Plus you can't keep the Dutch Master Race down forever! And who's to say the Saxons couldn't build a navy? Actually that sounds kinda comical now i've said it.
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    But the Saxon's England probably wouldn't have been as strong as the Norman's England.
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    You leave us to worry about that. We Anglo-Saxons don't need no Frenchie Viking landowners to push us about anyway!
    Perhaps a Norman/hostile (to Spain) France at the same time would persuade Spain to stay away?
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    There wasn't anything Viking-ish about William the Conqueror anymore.

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