The GREAT DEBATE of should U.S OF A bring back troops from Afghanistan

2004. We're talking about pre US-Afghanistan War of Aggression here. So you're a few years late.

Please just stop right there. Are you honestly gonna try and tell me that not only did Bin laden not claim responsibility for the attacks, but he denounced them. LOL.

No only will I tell you that, I'll back it up with evidence. (Although I presume you already looked it up and found the evidence.)

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/11/afghan.taliban/

And for bin Laden, admittedly it's controversial evidence in respect of denunciation:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080516041810/http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_ummat.htm

But the key question is, and what isn't controversial, is whether bin Laden accepted responsibility, and the answer is no (another link). The US provided the Taliban with an ultimatum - hand over bin Laden without evidence. They wanted evidence, and as we know bin Laden didn't accept responsibility for the terrorist attacks. The US would not provide evidence. The US did not provide evidence. And from what Noam Chomsky said, they didn't provide evidence because they didn't have any. They still invaded a country though. A country that was predicted to suffer mass starvation if invaded (they did it anyway).

Other than the loss of life on all sides, the saddest part is that bin Laden did have some valid points. That US hegemonic control was killing his fellow muslims. US military bases, US support for Israel in both military and diplomatic ways, arming Saddam not just with weapons but with chemical weapons, and just general US backing of dictatorships.

Bin Laden claimed responsibility.

Yeah guys Bin Laden was right! Fight the power by hijacking planes and sending them into the Twin Towers! Clearly Osama is the good guy here. /sarcasm.[/quote]

Firstly you did the exact same thing as Observer and got your dates wrong. The US didn't invade after 2004!

The dates we are talking about are the 11th September to the 7th October. You are multiple years out. bin Laden didn't claim responsibility for the attack in that MONTH between attack, and invasion. You are supposed to find evidence where he claimed responsibility WITHIN those dates because you guys are claiming that he had accepted responsibility BEFORE the invasion. I'm saying they had no evidence and that bin Laden didn't claim responsibility in that period of a MONTH.

And about your brilliant second point, if you want to PREVENT TERRORISM YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE REASONS FOR IT. The fact is that bin Laden had some valid points and they've not been considered. In fact the West has gone in the OPPOSITE direction with the illegal invasion and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention continuing support for Israel even after the Gaza Massacre. And this INCREASES terrorism. I don't know about you, but I don't like terrorism very much, so if there's a way to reduce it I'm going to consider it.

Yes but you are claiming that he denounced and condemned the 9/11 attacks, which he did not.

I see you're oversimplifying the situation, it would have been better if you created something more like an essay. I'm going to comment on these three: Carano is Spanish and should not belong on this list as 20 years is the norm for murder over there and was found not guilty on rape charges, had he been an American citizen he would have gotten a life sentence or execution. Also I would like you to cite your sources for Schmitz as he's getting 20 years according to this. I'm not going to do any research on Wuterich but seeing as you've done such a great job on the other two I'm going to give you some time to get your facts straight and produce something a little better (preferably not an internet meme).

Osama bin laden did admit to the attacks, only after we attacked, although this was to appeal to the Taliban government so they wouldn't turn on him and turn him into the U.S, which they where more then willing to do.

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Holy shit! That movie was real?