Israel and Iran - Will we see air strikes soon?

US will jump in if it becomes a war that effects the entire region and not just Iran or Israel. US will also jump in if Iran is the aggressor. We certainly wont sit back if Iran somehow manages to get troops inside Israel. Even if Israel had been the aggressor. All in all yes, US will most likely jump on Iran if any war with it as a player becomes ANYTHING more than a small scale conflict. (meaning limited air strikes, some naval action, skirmishes between special ops forces)

I heard we could see strikes as early as the start of march or April.

You love a state? And not just any state, Israel? Wow.

Wrong. A warmonger is someone who advocates war which is what such a strike would mean.

If the current form is a state that collectively punishes, annexes, and illegally occupies territories, then yes I agree.

ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. That's COMPLETELY wrong. Israel broke the ceasefire.


NOT ONLY THAT, but during the ceasefire Hamas DIDN'T FIRE ROCKETS.


I really urge you to watch those. You have a completely incorrect understanding of events. I'd also urge you to be critical of governments and media, don't take what you're told at face value - check for yourself.

What's with you people? A ten second Google search produces bundles of evidence against his version of events. Stop blindingly believing what you're told.

Here's ANOTHER piece of evidence:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/un-offi...onsible-for-breaking-truce-with-gaza-1.260507

And another:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians

Noam Chomsky explaining this as well (10 mins 30ish):

Israel is 100% justified in taking out those nuclear sites, and I don't think the rest of the world (excepting maybe China, Russia, Chavezland, and the DPRK; but even they would only do it because it is opposed to the US agenda) would argue otherwise. They have Saudi support, and the overwhelming majority of Arab nations detest Iran, so I think that the situation will, at worst, come down to "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" with Israel on top. Even if you hate Israel, siding with what amounts to a rouge state is hardly in the best interests of any Arab nation. The real wildcard would be Turkey, who have been showing their pro-Iranian colors ever since Erdogan and the Islamist AKP took power a few years ago.

Kicking Iran's ass would undoubtedly make the world a better place, but if it's to be done I'd much prefer (and expect) the US to remain in a support capacity.

As long as they blow up their own stockpiles and sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty I agree.

Unfortunately Arab people don't get a say in the affairs of the Arab leaders. Because we know that the Arab people a) don't consider Iran a threat, b) the majority want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, and c) the overwhelming majority believe Israel to be the biggest threat to peace in the region.

God forbid a state being anti-interventionist.

You make it sound like it's the only option when there's clearly the diplomatic route. The IAEA have had discussions with Iran very recently and there are more meetings later in February. Hold your horses son, lower your gun. This can and should be worked out diplomatically and peacefully without yet another war that kills many, many people, over the possibility of a state having a nuclear weapons program. Especially as no-one is proposing an invasion of Israel for their actual program, their actual nuclear weapons, and their avoidance of international treaties regulating nuclear weapons.

D3VIL, you can proclaim your idealism and naivete all you want, but at least recognize that there is a difference between reality and what you want reality to be.

Just because Israel is an ambiguously nuclear state doesn't make it okay for Iran to be one. Not to mention that it's completely against everyone's interests for Iran to get a bomb, whereas it harms virtually no one's to let Israel maintain an arsenal. Internationalism is garbage, stop living in a fantasy world and realize that states are both meant to and actually do act in their own interests. The interests of the international hegemon are paramount, and certainly the interests of the Western world. You can pretend that it's not that way, but you're only denying the truth.

Anti-Semitism doesn't take a back seat to anti-Persian sentiment, aww shucks. Well, I suppose it's good for us that that doesn't matter at all, then, huh?

Damn right. Maintaining some false sense of fairness does not and should not take precedence over deposing tinpot dictators, especially ones who spit in the face of the international community and the interests of the international hegemon.

I didn't say I wanted a war, I said that the world would be a better place if Iran got its ass kicked. Personally I advocate the status quo method of clandestine regime change that both the US and Israel have been pursuing in Iran.

One thing specifically I want to say is that if you think that Arabs are anti-semitic because they perceive Israel to be a threat to peace you've lost your mind. You're pro-hegemon and should recognise that Israel expansionism has a great deal to do with anti-Israel sentiment.

There's not much more to be argued between me and you Kali. Our differences are plain. Our differences are not evidence, but moral based. I personally find your morals repulsive and murderous, and on the contrary you find mine "idealistic" and "naive".

The anti-Israeli sentiment in the Arab world is primarily anti-Semitic. Israel's "expansionism" extends to a miniscule amount of territory that they don't even actually control, and some conquest agenda simply doesn't exist. Racism and religious/sectarian differences are the primary motivators behind both anti-Iranian and anti-Israeli sentiment in the Arab world.

Now, about this bomb, is there yet evidence they're actually making it? While their actions would point out that way, aren't there people from some international committee walking around Iran's facilities? Not to mention there's barely anything Iran could actually do with a nuke, except threaten the US, which have superior capacities in basically anything when compared to Iran.

Now, with US involvement, war (as we know it, at least) isn't even needed, seeing as how Stuxnet managed to shut down a fifth of Iran's nuclear facilities, and with the US being the only country with the capacities to create such a powerful worm, and it being tested in Israel, it's pretty safe to say those two were behind it. A second attack might not shut down the project completely, at least it'll stall it. Hopefully it won't spread around the world this time, though.

I HEAR that pentagon confirmed that there's no missile that can penetrate the bunkers of Iran's nuclear facility's, with that, pentagon is building new bombs to do the job. I am wondering how Israel can destroy those facility's if US can't.

But let's say Israel can destroy them:

well Israel air force is ten times better than Iran's, but Iran does have nice anti-air capability

Over 500 ground to air missiles. Including 4 s-300 missile that can shoot as far as 150 km.

So yes Israel can bomb the nuclear sites, but with more than usual casualties.

But what people forget is that Iran is not going to sit on their asses while Israel bombs them.

Iran might declare war, or retaliate with their many surface to surface missiles

In my opinion if Israel bombs Iran its going to start a ground war. You have to ignorant to think otherwise.

And Iran's ground troops are good if you compare it to other Arab country's, including that Iran's is mountainous, really easy to defend. But Iran would be stupid to bomb us 5th fleet, that wouldn't end good for Iran.

Israel is going to win, but it might take a while.

The thing is that right now, Iran, Russia and China all seem to be more bark than bite. It's great fun and all that they threaten with retaliations, but I doubt they'll be able to do anything serious without the entirety of the world getting involved, and I think they realise that. They don't want the US to bully the world, but right now, they're powerless to do anything about it. Hopefully, that'll remain the case until the younger and more sensible generations take over the high political positions. While the situation now might not be ideal, the US as the world's largest power is still a lot better than Russia or China in their current state, if you ask me.

In any case they have extremely legitimate reasons to dislike Israel. I'll list a few; aggression against Lebanon; illegal annexation of East Jerusalem; illegal settlement building; building an illegal separation wall which splits the West Bank and Palestinians; illegal flotilla raid; illegal blockade; illegally destroying homes; use of white phosphorous on hospitals; collectively punishing Gazans; oh, and occupying Palestinian territory for nearly half a century. That might explain why they aren't so keen.

China's BITE is about 300 nuclear missiles and Russia's at something like 3000.

While, no, they don't have the military capacity to WIN a war with the US, they sure as **** have the capacity to END a war with the US.

As for Iran: I wonder what in the **** the Iranians are thinking right now.
They cannot honestly think that China and Russia would really start WW3 by trying to counter a NATO invasion. At least, China would not. Russia might TRY.
Most likely, China and Russia would just 'secure' the areas around their oil pipelines in and around Iran. They would probably leave NATO and Israel to deal with the rest.

And don't think that just because the newer generations of the CPC are more attuned to the West that they LIKE the West.

Currently I am taking a break from my current paper I am writing about the entire Israel-Palestine issue, that I might publish to the forums, you know those big wall of text post I do every now and again, but anyways. Yeah the people of the Arab world and surrounding communities could give less of a shit about Palestine statehood, heck Syria invaded Lebanon on the issue, Jordan had a civil war and had the entire Black September issue, also theoretically Jordan is palestine (same people) and the only thing that separates them is the Jordan river, other then that same people so you could say they already have a state.

Also the 1952 Socialist revolution of Egypt is a very interesting subject.

And the bite of a dog is its teeth. Is it going to use it when it barks? No, that's how the saying goes. The point is that China and Russia both know they can't beat the US without resorting to destroying the world, which isn't really worth it, especially not over Iran.

Which I have already spoken to and given what I believe that they will do.

But thinking that China and Russia are miliarily incapible of anything is just asking to be bit.

Russia will just use its oil to help keep the Iranian economy afloat after all the sanctions, but other then that you will not see Russia come to Iran aid.

I'd take the word of someone who was there over this.