Israel and Iran - Will we see air strikes soon?

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by matthewchris, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. Byzantium's Revenge Well-Known Member

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    Iran has not stated it will wipe Israel off the map. Even if they had, Iran does not have the capability to wipe Israel off the map, and would not be so insanely foolish as to use atomic weaponry aggressively. Ayatollah Khamenei actually stated that he wanted to see the Zionist regime in Israel erased from the pages of history. Israel is the only country in the region which has wiped any nation from the map, that being the state of Palestine.
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    Turkey is not an Arab country.
    Iran getting a nuclear weapon isn't terrible because they're likely to use it, it's terrible because it makes them a nuclear state. For one, NWS are limited by the I-law that internationalists like D3VIL love so much, and Iran is a signatory of the NPT, so them acquiring nuclear weapons is against I-law. Israel is not a signatory of the NPT and is thus not breaking I-law. Also, nuclear proliferation is inherently bad, and it's in the interests of absolutely no one that Iran acquire a nuclear weapon. D3VIL's antagonistic attitude towards Israel does not justify his apologetic attitude about Iran's nuclear weapons program.

    Iran is not a good guy. We should not treat Iran as if it were a regular law-abiding state who's being unjustly targeted by some international menace. Iran is a rogue state with nuclear ambition, a corrupt theological government, and a genocidal agenda. There is a reason that the only people who even bother to defend Iran are authoritarian states who have a vested material interest in its current regime maintaining power, against the wishes of its populace. And don't bother pulling out some half-assed "BUT THE US DOES IT TOO LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOOOL!" because that doesn't make it right.

    Paint Israel as the bad guy all you want, but don't try to make Iran out as something to be defended, because it absolutely isn't.
    For one thing, it was A-jad who stated he wanted Israel wiped from the map, not the Ayatollah, and the man is a noted Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, so I wouldn't chalk it up to opposition to the state of Israel alone. Iran doesn't care one bit about Palestine, they just want Israel destroyed, and for as many Jews to die as possible in the process.
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    Arab and Muslim are very different words that mean very different things. They are not interchangeable, and I certainly wouldn't confuse them around ethnic Arabs or practicing Muslims.
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    Well no if they cover up their moves... Like giving the nuke to hamas. Making the nuke so its traceable to Russian nukes that "are" antiqued. Even this might lead to a destruction of Iran, BUT there's always those crazy leaders.. Remember the dude who thought he might still win if he launched v-1 and v-2 rockets to London. Iran might do the same thing:
    "back off! Or we are not responsible for what's to come" stance.

    BTW Iran's revolutionary guards general of something is NOW in Syria counseling al-assad howto kill the rebels etc. Iran can not afford to lose their ally
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    Covering up "donating" a nuke is quite hard, I'd suspect.
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    Ahmadinejad claimed to be quoting the Ayatollah when he made the statement according to the New York Times. The accusation of wiping Israel off the map seems to have been perpetuated by sensationalist journalists and hardline Republicans who didn't bother to check the accuracy of the translation from the original Farsi.
    No Arab state really does care about Palestine (Iran opposed its entry into the UN), they are seen as little more than political pawns, but that is not the issue.
    Ahmadinejad is all that and much much more, and may very well want Israel wiped off the map. However, for all his faults, he is not a fool. He may desire death and destruction, but he is surely aware of the consequences. This alone suggests that he would not be so foolish to act so openly against a nation which could ultimately lead to his own nation being wiped off the map.
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  8. thelistener Well-Known Member

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    wtf do you mean :D

    As long as you remove the connection to your country (Iran) there's no legal way of declaring war.
  9. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    And how does one remove the connection to their country? They can't just say "Nope, wasn't us! They must've made it themselves!"
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    Well this is how I would do it.

    First make hamas connected to some Russian arms dealer (paper work, phone calls etc) then make the arms dealer connected to a Russian arms warehouse (access etc) doesn't matter what warehouse just make it seem that if the dealer wanted a nuke he could have had it. We know that Russia is disposing old nukes. Make some fake papers of a nuclear warhead, phone calls about it etc. And then make papers from Russia to Jordan. Customs papers etc making it seem that a truck has gone through there.

    And then just leave this information so when the nuke goes off. These documents are moderate easy to find.

    or it could be just that Iran doesn't give a shit about consequences and just eliminates it self. by blowing the nuke and making it sure that everybody knows that its Iran.
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  11. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    That's almost as complex as making the nuke itself...
  12. thelistener Well-Known Member

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    No shit, but does it matter.. Some people get paid doing that shit.
  13. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    I still doubt Iran will ever use any potential nuke they might be making.
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    Perhaps but they might use it to blackmail for geo political gain
  15. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Well, with "use", I meant launch.
  16. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    1)They have said they are developing nuclear power, yet they are building super deep bunkers to do it in. That is suspicious. I didn't say invade right now, I said wait to see if Iran backs down.
    2)Okay, thanks. I didn't no. Again I suggested Israel wait.
    3)It doesn't matter if it would destroy there nation. Iran runs on martyrdom. They don't care what Israel throws back so long as they get to Israel first.
    4)Israel is dangerous. They are dangerous because they are in a part of the world with enemies on all sides.
  17. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    How is that suspicious? No matter how safe, nuclear facilities are always insanely dangerous, not to mention the waste is stored in such bunkers anyway.

    Wut? That'd mean they'd be in danger, not dangerous.
  18. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    Building huge deep bunkers for "peaceful" nuclear energy. These things are DEEP, like really deep. I mean, one is under a mountain! Couple that bit of evidence with a foreign policy centered around "all the Jews must die".
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    Exactly. Making them deep prevents any radiation from seeping out. Of course, this is only one explanation.
  20. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    It is one explanation, but couple that with a foreign policy centered around "all the Jews must die".

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