Greatest Military Leaders of all Time

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  1. KarbinCry Member

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    Well, they could supply North Africa easily even without Gibraltar and Malta, I think that they manufactured enough supplies in India and Australia. And even if the wouldn't, they could just ship those supplies to some African harbor and then transport it via trains.
    In fact, I think that closing the Mediterranean would cause supplying British Isles difficult, and Britain would depend more on Canada and America (in terms of manpower and raw materials).
    Malta was delivering the Axis more trouble by providing a base for British to destroy Axises supply ships than by supplying British.
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    Well I would have to say just in general the German military leaders were all very good and talented. It is hard if not impossible to find another nations General's who did so much against so many, with so little. While I have studied Patton a lot, and am partial to him. I would say this is obviously an impossible question.

    The only one I am iffy on is Rommel. I am iffy on if he should be in the running for greatest general. He was notoriously Bad at logistics, and struggled with high command. I would have kept him as a Division or Regiment command. Anything higher requires restraint, and a good handle of logistics. He would take his chief of staff with him when he flew to his troops in Africa which is a horrible thing to do. His staff was inefficient. While visiting the front to inspire your troops is great. He almost did it too much. So much he hurt his lower level officers. I am iffy on Rommel’s candidacy.

    I am biased towards WWII though considering the amount of time I have put into studying it. I mean I was pretty much drooling when I bought a First Edition of Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe. I got it at a steal at 3 dollars and it is in perfect condition.
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    In my opinion, the best military leaders in the time period 1400-1850 are the following:

    1: Alexander Suvorov
    The Prince of Rymnik never lost a battle, and was immensely popular amongst his soldiers. He walked by them, joked by them and felt their sorrows. A favorite of Empress Ekaterina Velikaya.

    2: Mughal Emperor Bâbur Timurid
    In his youth he managed to escape from pretenders in his homeland with a few followers. From there he recruited a solid army, and captured Kabul from the Arghunids. From there he marched on the Dehli Sultanate, who had 100 000 men under command, opposing Bâburs 25,000. He slew the Sultan of Dehli, and defeated his army with a force of matchlocks he had imported, and founded the Mughal Empire.

    3: Prinz Eugen von Savoien
    He saved the Habsburg Empire from French conquest and he broke the westward thrust of the Ottomans, liberating central Europe after a century and a half of Turkish occupation. He also had a huge diplomatic influence, and managed to position Austria well to fight the French.
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    Where do you think Napoleon is ranked in this time period?
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    Not far behind, maybe 5-8th. The thing that brings him down was his huge ego, as it was key to the failure in Russia, which eventually brought him down in the end.
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    Explain what you mean bu "huge ego".
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    He thought that he was invincible and that he could not be defeated. Therefore he did many stupid things, though he had very much luck as well.
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    Fair enough.
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    Fredrick the Great, T.J. "Stonewall" Jackson, Erwin Rommel, George S. Patton, Alexander the Great.
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    Patton? Nigga please, he would not even make it to top 10 WW2 generals nor would Rommel.
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    It's US nationalism. Can't do anything 'bout that.
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    ...or he cannot name any other people so he goes with what he was told his entire life. I mean yea it's his "personal" opinion but that's worth shit. At least in many of my favorites, that I would put on list have multiple historians backing them for "spot".
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    How would Patton not be in top World War 2 generals?
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    And Patton comes up again, how many times is this, he wasn't the best general but he didn't suck.
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    Really? You automatically label me an idiot who only named people he could think of? This is supposed where we put our personal opinions, so I put mine. Patton was the only General (At least on the Western Front) who the Germans truly feared. Are you saying that the other generals I listed aren't worthy of being in the mix? I know of plenty other Great Generals. Julius Caesar, Hanibal Barka (sorry for spelling, off top of head), Clauswitz, Robert E. Lee, Guderian, Duke of Wellington, U.S. Grant, Bismark, Kutuzov, Napoleon, Atilla the Hun, Saladin,...... I can go on. Sir, Do not just label me on the spot. I know of many more then you might think. You do not know what kind of person I am by reading a list of 5 names.
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    Moltke? (Hopeful face)
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    Damn! There was someone German who I knew I should be including! He's from World War I, Correct?
  18. Moltke the Elder Member

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    Nope Franc
    Nope Franco-Prussian War surrounded Napoleon the third at Sedan. My favorite general of all time. He was the one who said no plan survives contact with the enemy
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    Ah, I have that quote before. Oh wait, were there two Moltkes? One that was in the Franco-Prussian War, and One that was in the Great War? I must have it confused.
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    Yeah there was two Moltkes. The elder and yougner and yes one was in WW1

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