Ron Paul

D3adtrap · Feb 15, 2012

Someone has had a bad valentine's day...

SovietEmpireUSSR · Feb 15, 2012

http://www.littleredumbrella.com/2012/01/lets-be-clear-ron-paul-fucking-sucks.html

slydessertfox · Feb 15, 2012

theteremaster said: ↑

Oh great, you're back. Now would you kindly FUCK OFF? I hope some tentacle beast snatches you and ron paul up and rapes the shit out of both of you. Ron Paul is a fucking liar and you are all sheep to believe him.

BTW my ancestor was a fucking murderer who raped you british assholes while shooting holes in your eyes with a gun. Have fun at family history night you prick.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

matthewchris · Feb 15, 2012

theteremaster said: ↑

He should not be given control of the United States now that it's risking default.

lol no

ComradeLer · Feb 15, 2012

Twenty good reasons why you shouldn't support Paul,Copied from Sov's link -

1. He wants to repeal the Civil Rights Act. That's the 1964 law that made segregation illegal and outlawed discrimination on the basis of race, colour, religion, sex or national origin. Paul claims it infringes on people's freedom. If a restaurant or hotel wants to ban African-Americans, he believes they should be allowed to. As he put it in a speech to Congress: "the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty."

2. He's also against the Americans With Disabilities Act. That's the 1990 bill passed by the first President Bush, which followed up the Civil Rights Act by making it illegal to discriminate against someone because of a disability. Paul wants it gone, too.

3. He is against public health care. You know how you think Americans are crazy because they can't do any better on universal health care than the watered down bill Obama got through? Well, President Ron Paul would do much, much worse. He thinks that in an entirely private system, poor people would have all of their needs taken care of by charitable doctors who would be willing to work for free. Ron Paul, by the way, is a medical doctor.

4. He wants to dissolve the public education system. He promises to eliminate the Department of Education entirely and leave the question of whether to offer any public education at all up to local governments. He calls public education "socialist" (which we actually agree with, but he, unlike us, doesn't think that's a good thing) and says, "I preach home schooling and private schooling." According to an interview, "The Department of Education has given us No Child Left Behind, massive unfunded mandates, indoctrination, and in some cases, forced medication of our children with psychotropic drugs. We should get rid of all of that..."

5. He thinks global warming is a hoax. In his words, it's "the greatest hoax, I think, that's been around in many, many years — if not hundreds of years". But that's just the tip of the crazyberg. Ron Paul winning the presidency would be a disaster for the environment. He wants to completely disband the Environmental Protection Agency, abolish environmental regulation, and lift, it seems, just about all the restrictions on drilling for oil. Including in National Parks.

6. He doesn't believe in evolution. When asked about it in 2007, he was pretty clear: "I think it’s a theory. The theory of evolution. And I don’t accept it as a theory."

7. He's against federal safety standards. So that means no federal testing to make sure the products you're sold won't kill you. Or that, say, the airplane you're on won't fall out of the sky. In fact, he's in favour of completely disbanding the Federal Aviation Authority, which does stuff like hire air traffic controllers to make sure planes don't collide in the air. He has argued against the Food and Drug Administration, which makes sure pharmaceuticals are safe to take. ("People weren't dying from bad drugs before we had the FDA," he has said, "I mean, it just didn't happen.") And forget Ralph Nader's successful crusade to enforce the wearing of seat belts. Ron Paul is ideologically opposed to the federal government making sure cars even have seat belts. "I mean, do we need the federal government to tell us whether we buy a safe car?"

8. He is radically pro-life. And vehemently opposed to a woman's right to choose. He signed the "personhood pledge" making the rounds on the current campaign, suggesting that abortion should be legally considered to be the same thing as murder.

9. He wants to do away with all foreign aid. Paul's isolationism sounds good to liberals when he's talking about his refusal to invade other nations. But the United States government, under President Paul, would send no funds to the developing world to help combat AIDS or famines or natural disasters or anything else.

10. He would pull out of the United Nations. He openly claims the United Nations is part of a plot to create one world government. "If we continue down the UN path, America as we know it will cease to exist." And not only does he want to withdraw the U.S. from membership, he wants to evict the United Nations from their headquarters in New York.

11. He's against the minimum wage. Instead of making sure that people are paid at least a minimum amount for their work, he believes companies should be allowed to pay whatever ever they like, with the law of supply and demand determining just how little. Lower wages, he argues, would actually help poor people by creating more jobs.

12. He is a gun nut. Our eyebrows are already raised by anyone who claims that having firearms is a "God-given right", like Ron Paul does. But he doesn't stop there. He wants to repeal the legislation that requires a background check when you buy a new gun — you know, to make sure you're not, say, a fugitive from justice, a violent offender, or currently stalking someone. Back when there actually was a ban an assault weapons, he was, of course, against the ban. And now that there isn't, he wants to make sure Obama doesn't get the chance to bring a new one in.

13. He believes we're waging a war against Christmas. In his words, he claims that "the elitist, secular Left" are waging an "ongoing war against religion" to "transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity." And as if that wasn't crazy enough, he adds, "Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war."

14. He wants to get rid of income tax. He is against taxation in general, of course, which most liberals would disagree pretty strongly with. Especially when it comes to the income tax. It's generally recognized as the most direct way to make sure that poor folk don't have to give up more of their earnings than rich folk do. But Paul wants to get rid of it entirely.

15. He voted to build a fence along the border with Mexico. In fact, he's pretty radical when it comes to the whole question of undocumented immigration. He has backed off on the fence issue (because, he says, it might be used to keep Americans in) but he has also argued that Emergency Room doctors shouldn't have to treat immigrants without documentation. And that he wants to end birthright citizenship, which says you're an American citizen if you were born in America, whether or not your parents were citizens themselves.

16. He's against the Occupational Health and Safety Act. That's the law that gives Americans the right to a safe workplace, and makes sure an employer doesn't force employees to work in a dangerous or unhealthy environment. That, Paul figures, is unconstitutional. It limits the employer's freedom to put workers in harm's way.

17. He wants to U.S. to seize control of the Panama Canal. Paul's isolationism doesn't seem to apply to the Panama Canal. The United States signed a treaty back in the 1970s gradually ceding control of the canal to the government of Panama. But Paul wants to overturn that. Because if the U.S doesn't seize control of it, he claims some hostile regime might seize control of it instead.

18. He thinks interstate highways are unconstitutional. You're probably getting the impression by now that Ron Paul thinks that pretty much everything the federal government does is unconstitutional. That's because Ron Paul thinks that pretty much everything the federal government does is unconstitutional. He has even argued against interstate highways, saying Eisenhower knew he was bending the law when he built them. Paul figures they're a violation of states' rights.

19. He seems pretty homophobic to us. Paul actually gets a lot of credit for being the one Republican candidate who isn't homophobic, mostly because he says that the federal government has no business telling people what to do in their private lives and he's come out against a constitutional ban against same-sex marriage. But it's really not that clear where he stands. His reason for being against the ban is that he believes marriage laws should be left up to individual states or to the church. When some states began to pass laws legalizing same-sex marriage, he fought to make sure other states wouldn't have to recognize those marriages as legal. He's also for don't-ask-don't-tell and has voted to de-fund any organization which "presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style". As for his own personal attitude toward the gay community? Well, an ex-staffer who defended Paul against charges of homophobia did so by claiming he only knew of two times Paul did something homophobic: the time he swatted away a gay man's hand rather than have to shake it, and the time he refused to go to the washroom at the same time as a gay guy.

20. And he seems pretty racist too. Paul has been haunted by accusations of racism pretty much the whole campaign long. And with good reason. He used to publish newsletters, under his own name, which said unbelievably racist things. Things like, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." And, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." For years, he refused opportunities to distance himself from those comments and those newsletters. Now, finally, he has, saying that they were written by other people, without his knowledge, and that he doesn't share those views. But that's not the only thing that makes us worried. More recently, he complained about the Transportation Security Administration hiring visible minorities to do airport screenings. Again, in his own words: "We quadrupled the TSA, you know, and hired more people who look more suspicious to me than most Americans who are getting checked... Most of them are, well, you know, they just don’t look very American to me."
So, yeah, as liberals, we wouldn't exactly have high hopes for the Paul Administration.

slydessertfox · Feb 15, 2012

9. He wants to do away with all foreign aid. Paul's isolationism sounds good to liberals when he's talking about his refusal to invade other nations. But the United States government, under President Paul, would send no funds to the developing world to help combat AIDS or famines or natural disasters or anything else.

Whats the big deal about him making America completely isolationist?

ComradeLer · Feb 15, 2012

slydessertfox said: ↑

Whats the big deal about him making America completely isolationist?

I support military isolationalism, but to cut off foreign aid whilst maintaining a capitalist economy is a dick move. If you run into, and knocked over an elderly person on the street, you would at the very least help up, right?

Also, don't ignore the other points. The guy is a lunatic, with two or three semi-decent policies. Easily the most extreme Republican in the race.

slydessertfox · Feb 15, 2012

ComradeLer said: ↑

I support military isolationalism, but to cut off foreign aid whilst maintaining a capitalist economy is a dick move. If you run into, and knocked over an elderly person on the street, you would at the very least help up, right?

Also, don't ignore the other points. The guy is a lunatic, with two or three semi-decent policies. Easily the most extreme Republican in the race.

Hes not the most extreme.

Demondaze · Feb 15, 2012

slydessertfox said: ↑

Whats the big deal about him making America completely isolationist?

This isn't the 1800's......

slydessertfox · Feb 15, 2012

Demondaze said: ↑

This isn't the 1800's......

I never said it was good, just that it was not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

Demondaze · Feb 15, 2012

slydessertfox said: ↑

I never said it was good, just that it was not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

You're right. It's worse.

matthewchris · Feb 15, 2012

Or we could just get to the root of the problem and accept that Libertarians are dumb.

LeonTrotsky · Feb 15, 2012

matthewchris said: ↑

Or we could just get to the root of the problem and accept that Libertarians are dumb.

Gasp!

Actually, I agree. I find libertarian policy naive, especially in the area of foreign policy.

Kalalification · Feb 15, 2012

Ron Paul's policy views come from ideology, not politics, so of course they are extreme. You can't discredit him on the basis of that extremism alone, however, and he has adequate answers to all of those criticisms (you think he's not been challenged on every single one of these points before?). Whether or not you agree with him depends on how you envision the role of government.

matthewchris · Feb 15, 2012

Well, this might just be me, but I like to think I can have more personal liberties without my government sacrificing baseline equality and global influence. Maybe I'm just a radical. But the moral of the story is that you really have no reasoning to support Ron Paul unless you are a libertarian, and any liberal that does so is probably just dumb. His appeal is virtually zip to people to enjoy the status quo, excluding a few social issues. I don't get the irrational love for him.

0bserver92 · Feb 15, 2012

I personally think that isolationism is rather stupid idea. If Ron Paul decides to go isolationist it just makes it easier for Canada to reach it's ultimate goal of by passing the U.S. as a financial superpower.

LeonTrotsky · Feb 15, 2012

0bserver92 said: ↑

Canada to reach it's ultimate goal of by passing the U.S. as a financial superpower.

And then we'll all ride flying pigs to have a snowball fight with Satan.

Soviet Streltsy · Feb 15, 2012

Wouldn't an isolationist USA = a economically drained Canada. Not waving the tradional "Wir nimbr 1, ect." flag, but isn't the United States Canada's largest importer of oil and other such products?

crocve · Feb 16, 2012

matthewchris said: ↑

Or we could just get to the root of the problem and accept that Libertarians are dumb.

Yes, because believing in liberty is dumb. (irony) That was idiotic remark.

About Ron Paul: people may not agree with many of his policies, but he is the better candidate of the republicans and he is against the estabilishment, and he is in any way, better then Obama.

About the supposed racism, that as already been debunked. Ron Paul actually is worried of racism in courts, because in drug related cases, the % of balcks who go to prison or get more time in it is superior to the % of caucasians.

About his supposed isolationism, Ron Paul has constantly denied he is a isolationist. He believes that the US should not do military interventions in other countries and that the US military should not have bases around the world, because it is a waste of money.

Easily the most extreme Republican in the race.

The most extremist Republican is Santorum (he is against contraceptive methods). Ron Paul´s ideas actually goes against most of republicans.

theteremaster · Feb 16, 2012

As the first of the newly created political standpoint: socialist industrialist. I think i have a better view of these policies as i acknowledge the things that a system needs. Free education and healthcare is a must. Minimum wages and worker's rights are some of the best idea's ever thought of. Everybody has the right to have a job.

Ron paul's ideals will turn America into a prime target for invasion. All the armistices on war and human rights are linked to members of the UN. The UN won't care if he's isolationist, the other countries will assume we wants to escape the confines of the geneva convention if he pulls America out of it.

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