Russia, China, DPRK, much of the former soviet pact bloc, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, possibly India, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, and likely a bunch of African countries.
They've got a weird "Love you one day hate you the next" type relationship going on. India is technically an associate of the Shanghai cooperation pact, which I believe gives them economic and military obligation to each other.
Yeah, India and Russia have absolutely nothing to gain from a war with the US, or China for that matter. Vietnam has been suffering some tense political fallout with China recently over Chinese territorial claims in the Pacific Ocean near the Philippines. Venezuela and Cuba would never declare war on the US since they would immediately get roflstomped (to use a military term).
Not much to gain from a winning a war, but they do have a lot to lose from China losing said war. China is a very large and powerful nation, one that has massive economic and political sway, and which borders Russia. If it were to turn pro-America, it would be very bad for everybody who is opposed to the US.
I still don't believe a war would be in the best interest of any nation except for China in the eventuality of a Chinese victory. Also, I just looked up Indian foreign policy and they seem to very good military and economic ties to the US, and have fairly strained, if cordial, relations to China.
It would be a long long fight, but I am confident America would win in the end. We have a vastly superior navy and air force. I'm sure this will be another victory for the good ol' USA.
People are discounting the value of industry in a war. There would probably be ten times as many workers in China, and I'd bet that they would be willing and able to work harder than Americans, and for longer hours. America's navy and air force is very superior, but China is catching up. The difference in man-for-man quality of the two armies is much smaller, but China can amass an army larger than the entire US population, and six times larger than anything the US could muster. I can't say for sure, but I think China has the advantage.
Another thing no one seems to want to factor into the equation is the presence of a few hundred thousand hardened combat veterans of all sorts in the American military. Many military strategists agree that the biggest asset to the air force is the experience it's pilots gained in air ground combat during a decade of war, and not it's overwhelming technological advantage. Right off the bat you're going to have an army that's leaders have served years in combat, which gives them a considerable edge over any other force they would have to go against
Let me clear up a few things: 1) The Chinese would not surrender. If the US started bombing their cities, they would fight on. 2) Atomic bomb? Just what year are you living in? 2a) The US does not have a monopoly on the bomb anymore. China has enought to level every major city in the world. That includes the US. NOBODY has an anti-ICBM system that is not a joke yet. Both the US and China had the same amount of success in shooting down missiles during their testing - it took both of them three shots to shoot down the test missile, which they knew where it was, where it was going, what its speed was, etc. 2b) The sheer amount of diplomatic fallout from dropping a nuclear device would turn the whole world and the US public against the US government. The US could actually do no better service to China to end the war than to use a nuclear bomb, as it would make China seem the victum and the US the senseless and insane aggressor who is willing to use nuclear devices in spite of the numberous treaties that they have signed promising to scale back and not to bomb others. The idea that they would use a nuclear bomb is just... just... agh. I thought some of the people here were sane. 3) True, but untrue. India is an observer state of the SCO, not a full member.
Lol you totally sound just like the Wehrmacht, send all our best Luftwaffle aces, and Tank aces at 'em well beat them before Winter. Quantity > Quality
that depends. the Russian t-34 was an amazing tank, as was the kv-1. very powerful tanks and the soviets had a lot of them. same goes for some of the Russian weapons. the ppsh and one of their rifles were outstanding. the Germans used the t-34 against the soviets, if i remember correctly, and reversed engineered one of their rifles. also, in WW1 the Russians again had the number advantage, but were technologically backwards and thus lost the war. same with the Russo-Japanese war. although, i gotta say Lenin was on to something when he said "quantity has a quality all its own"
I would just like to be a grounding influence here and say that war with China and the USA is pretty much impossible. The economies of both countries are tied so close together now that war would be economic suicide for both.
Plenty of people have been saying that, and almost everyone who hasn't was thinking it. In fact, the real question is, can anyone come up with a plausible scenario in which it could happen?
Oh. I thought they were a bit higher on the membership scale than that. For the USA, at least. Remember all of those factories, and all of that equipment is in China. Plus, the PRC could, internally at least, get away with seizing all of that equipment for their own use. Plus, as previously mentioned, China has both a much larger work force, as well as very sketchy non existent labor/safety laws and no limit on work hours. If any nation could afford to go to war with the world Industrially, it would be China. Being said, I agree that any sort of war between the two is extremely unlikely.
