My Views on Marijuana

I never said I agree with his method.

I would like to see a link.

I'll cede you this point because I dont know a lot about this.

Actually, dark chocolate can be good for you.

Where have you been?

So we agree on something.

You can still live life to the fulles without getting high.

I was referring to all drugs.

I am talking about actual classes dedicated to teaching you just about drugs. ALL drugs. From like 3rd grade up. Not some stupid dare shit where you meet once a week and sing a song.

Look above.

Let me ask you this: is marijuana in any way more beneficial or necessary for the existence of human life than fat?

The fat that LampRevolt was referring to? No, not really. Saturated fat is bad for you, whereas unsaturated fat is the good stuff.

In moderation, dark chocolate can indeed help prevent heart failure. I also remember reading a single glass of alcohol being good for you. Then again, I also think I was at university, so they might've just been pleasing students.

So you're basically saying we don't "need" it? Which is the stupidest argument ever. If humans never strived for things we didn't necessarily need, we'd still live in trees flinging shit at eachother.

A glass of wine every day or two does have some health benefits for women I believe.

Yeah, I think that was researched several times, but now I think they expanded that statement to include small amounts of alcohol in general. The point is, in moderation, hardly anything is bad for you. In general, people smoke less marijuana than they would smoke cigarettes. Mainly because smoking marijuana in public is just a no-go. Therefore, in moderation, smoking weed won't shrivel up your lungs and kill you on your 21st birthday, nor will it severely shorten your lifespan or anything. The arguments of people's grandparents dying after they smoked their entire lives not only don't apply to smoking marijuana, but in general make little sense to me.

And I never claimed you did. I disagree with your interpretation of his beliefs. While you believe that his drive to prevent people from smoking marijuana is logical, if not if not noble, you simply disagree with his methods. I believe that the both of ou are batshit insane. There is no harm that can come from using marijuana aside from the whole "smoking" thing. That is a fact, not an opinion.

I got it from a book. Online I can find only the addiction rates of regular smokers, who smoke a lot. My point is, that smoking a cigarette or two every once in a while is not a problem. For example I would never smoke more than three a day, and try to limit it to exclusively smoking tobacco while high.

Your whole argument revolves around saying that marijuana is dangerous to the health and when I simply say "no it isn't" you retract your statement? Dam I'm good. What exactly is your argument now?

That isn't the point. My point is that just becasue something is bad for you(marijuana isn't) doesn't mean that people shouldn't use it.

IIn the real world, where real facts apply. Marijuana doesn't shorten your lifespan, and nobody has ever said that because even liars know that a lie can't be too far fetched or people will catch on. Apparently you missed the jackass convention.

How can you say that when you've never been high?

Caffeine to? Look buddy, there is a big difference between hard drugs and soft drugs. You simply can not even compare marijuana to meth, heroine, or cocaine.

"Now children drugs are bad, mkay." I honestly don't see how what you are suggesting is different.

Do you propose lying to these kids? Because if you plan on telling the truth about marijuana you are going to create a lot of pot heads.

Give it up.

Do I even have to say anything now that Shaw have basically destroyed Sly's arguments?
To be fair, this is probably Shaw's home turf, and he has most likely done a good amount of research/reading on the subject.

Are you saying that saturated fats fail to preform an infinitely more useful and natural function than smoking a plant?

And anything is unhealthy in unreasonably high quantities. We base 'healthiness' on the average rate at which it becomes unhealthy.

Bear in mind that saturated fats are in things like cream, butter, and cheese, which are heavy in French diets and yet they have a lower obesity average than other countries such as the US.

Lol you fail to mention that it's also a large amount of the diet in the US, and moreover the amount of fastfood, low-quality food etc. consumed per citizen dwarfs that of France.

Well it's only healthy for the male body to have about 10-12 percent as a young adult so anything over that is not beneficial or necessary for the e xistence of human life. Just like pot. I'm not telling you people to put down the mo fuckin donuts though so grow up and let other people do what they want with themselves.

Also those studies about the minor alcohol usage a day increasing your health is based upon polling people who say they have a drink a day and those who do not and then trying to keep track of their health problems. There's plenty to suggest that the psychological state of the people involved is the changing factor, and that since they relieved stress with drug 'x' they prolonged their life.

I really have no fuckin idea what your talking about with different fat's. That is absolutely totally fucking irrelevant and the amount of fats you eat in your food has little effect on how fat you are in reality. That's like something a kindergarden student would assume about the human body. 1 pound of body fat is made up of approx. 3000 calories and while your general health is effected by the nutrition value of what you eat how fat you are is exclusively based on calorie consumption.

I have no idea why the link won't work. But anyway, just search cracked 5 pro-pot and it should be the first result.

True, but that does not negate the fact that French citizens still eat saturated fats in high quantities and still manage to maintain good health. That means that as unhealthy as they are, saturated fats can still be consumed safely in reasonable quantities. The massive amount consumed has failed to end the average French life so prematurely as to warrent enough concern to cause a massive social shift that rendered it illegal to make, sell, and consume saturated fats.
In short, it means that the situation with saturated fats is in no way in such a position as to be parallel with marijuana.

Its only healthy to have a particular, limited amount, yes, but that does not make it the same as marijuana. Fat is a necessary part of living organisms. Few to no organisms have zero fat cells. The fat acts, as I am sure that you are well aware, as the equivilant of batteries in the human body [though, yes, I am aware that the comparison should be stated the other way around]. The human body doesn't just accumulate fat for fun, the fat is actually an evelutionary necessity, providing energy when a constant source that can be relayed to the necessary parts of the body directly cannot be found or sustained.
Marijuana has negative affects on both an individual and communial level. The individual must grapple with the physical, pshychologcial, and social [including emotional] backlashes of use. The society also suffers from having a member that is either less productive or neglegant to their fellow humans or both. Contrary to some people's opinions, the idea of putting everyone on marijuana so nobody is left out when they get high together is neither viable nor socially acceptable.

Stress is a major problem in most modern society, yes. But as I have already pointed out, there are other more legal and healthier ways to combat stress and other ailments that do not require a massive social, political, and economic shift in the general society. Bear in mind that at least one quarter to a third of US society are not consumers of alcoholic beverages beyond the occasional such as a wedding or a party, yet you do not see them all rushing to the rooftop of the nearest skyscraper.

I did not bring about the topic of different fats.
And please review your information on fat and calories. I am encountering some scientific discrepencies between what you are saying and what the research is saying.
And, if I am not mistaken, it was you who brought up the angle of fats and tried to compare it to marijuana.

I read it. Some of it I actually agreed with, such as people talking about it saving the economy, curing cancer, and all that shit. But some of it, such as the thing about addiction, I disagree with. For one, I've personall never meet a marijuana addict, so you can tell me crazy stories and show me crazy statistics, but until I see it, I won't believe it. And I see a lot of pot smoking, you'd think by now I would have at least heard about an addict.

He wasn't making a comparison, it was an analogy. He was insinuating that arresting and imprisoning people for making unhealthy personal choices or having mental/physical addictions is stupid.

Okay Imperial here's the hard facts on gaining weight.

A calorie is a unit of measurement for ENERGY. This is just physics so pay attention. We consume food and draw energy from it , if we don't use that energy in a day the excess is stored in fat. While our bodies need things like proteins and various nutrients to survive what we run on is CALORIES.

Now being obese or overweight is not related to if you consume to much saturated fat although that is possible since fats do contain a lot of calories. Fats in food is an inconvienent name as now kindergarden children everywhere think that you get fat by eating fats. For instance certain fat's that are very healthy for you are in eggs but apparently you morons think that fat in = get fat.

I brought up the obesity issue because I thought you clowns would 1. understand the basic composition of the human body and 2. to make a point regarding what you think constitutes a good reason on why you should be allowed to tell other people what to do with their own bodies. Becoming obese is far more dangerous for your health then smoking some pot now and again. Therefore, by your logic, we should prosecute the obese.

I'm also glad that someone on these forums has an ounce of deductive reasoning in them at all.

Fuck I don't even know why I bother some times.

Just for good measure I'd like to inform you that those "fatty foods" in france have a lower calorie count on average then the greasy shitpile americans like to eat. 1 mcdonalds combo averages out at 1000 calories. That is half the average males maintenance consumption .

To sum it up I was making an analogy, I was pointing out that your treatment of potsmokers is utterly unfair and that their personal health is none of your concern. That and I can make a very safe estimate that at the bare minimum 30% of this forum is over weight at least seeing as the majority of users come from the united states thus are endangering their health more then the average pot smoker.

1) I am perfectly aware of how calories and fat gain work, thank you very much.
2) Again, I did not bring up the angle of the saturated fat. I merely contested the assertions made from it.

By my logic, we should moniter closely and prohibit as necessary practices that have no balenced benefit that cannot be gained by another, safer method.
You have still failed to prove to me that marijuana does anything for the human body that is beneficial.
Your attempted analogy [thanks Demondaze] of imprisoning people for becoming obese holds no water. As I pointed out before and will continue to do so until you accept the fact so long as you use this foolish argument, the fat, the calories, whatever you choose to call them or break them down to, are used in the processes of the human body as a power source and therefore provide a critical function of the body. As I pointed out before and will continue to until you respond adequately with a reasonable answer, smoking marijuana provides no benefit that cannot be reasonably obtained by the average American that is also legal and carries other benefits.

You choose to strike at misinterpetations [on your part no less] and not to confront my argument. Please do so.

Also, it is folly to think that someone who does not take the time to write an essay on the scientific processes that occur in any situation does not know them simply because they choose to use a layman's term. I am quite certain that you were well aware that every individual that you insulted for allegedly not knowing the basic processes of the human body in fact knew them quite well. That is to say, in layman's terms, you were merely trolling. That you insisted on continuing to assert that people were not aware of the processes of the human body even after they posted to the contrary indicate that you were either ignoring their posts or just skimming them.

And I missed some things:

Where in their ads have you ever seen a fast food restaurant promote obesity?

Ah ha, I get it. Ignore hippies like Shaw with their miracle drug talk. Pot is a stimulant, a vice. It has no point or purpose and it needs no point or purpose.

It's amazing how much you can type without making points.

You didn't use those 'Processes' in laymans terms you absolutely butchered reality.

Are you seriously saying you didn't misenterpret my paragraph? For the love of god you and some other guy were rambling about it (even though what you were saying was unrelated and ill informed) without touching my actual point.

Eating so much excess food that you become overweight and endanger your life is hardily a NECESSARY process. Just like hoarding random bits and baubles until your house is full and vermin run amuck would hardily be making practical purchases. Caffiene does nothing to help the body and thus should be illegal correct? Video games, since they only could hurt our eyes and slow our productivity in society should be outlawed (same with television). Alcohol, childrens toys, and art should all be outlawed because none of them have positive effects on the body and therefore are somehow immoral.

Are you a machine, because we're not human if we operate for the soul purpose of being efficient. Again I'll point out that what another person does with their body is NONE of your business and you shouldn't have any say if they get fat or if they smoke weed or if they play video games for 8 hours a day.

Absolutely none of your business.

I was just talking with a friend today about how awesome being a hippie would be. Maybe I'll buy a van.