Joseph Kony 2012 - Stop at Nothing.

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by LampRevolt, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Came in here to say something similar. You guys are normally so anti-american intervention, but I guess we've found where you draw your line.

    Personally, I think the world would still be a better (not night and day better, but better) place without this guy in it, so I'm a bit disappointed Obama has been softballing this. Similar to Rwanda and Sudan the placement of a minimal amount of US troops, even just as "peacekeepers" could save millions of innocent lives.
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    I never do understand you people. You're going to kill him for killing people? Seems a little contradictory, no?
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    Human rights apply to all humans, regardless of their actions.
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    If the U.N. were to have a purpose, I think this would be it . I know that it hasn't worked too well in the past but a few changes in tactics and they could act maybe.

    IDK.

    No no you misunderstand, I'm going to kill him for kidnapping children and making them shoot their own parents and mutilate the bodies of innocent people for over 20 years.

    True true, but if whoever finds him happens to shoot him in both knee caps and drag him back to base in barbed wire before turning him in alive I somehow won't shed a tear over it.
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    So he all did this personally, and orderd the childern to do this Himself. Not his rabble of and army, but him. So you think YOU! of all people should be Judge, Jury and exicutioner? No one deserves or should posses such power.
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    Hitler wasn't personally gassing the jew's, and so doesn't deserve to be punished for that.

    Joseph Stalin didn't personally move all the grain out of certain area's ensuring starvation so he isn't responsible for those people's deaths.

    I mean chinese leadership isn't responsible for Tiananmen Square what so ever since they didn't shoot.

    Pol pot didn't shoot all educated people in his nation himself and then procede to throw them into shallow graves so he can't be held responsible.

    I could go on. I don't think I have heard a dumber argument then that one.
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    I can't say I would shed a tear either. Wouldn't make doing such a thing right, nor justified.

    Edit: I don't think Gabriel had a full understanding of the situation. I kind of pressured him into posting, so don't judge him too harshly there.
  8. LampRevolt Well-Known Member

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    Justice is a puffed up artificial term anyway , so we could just hand him over to Ugandan courts where I'm sure he'd be executed. There's your "justice" in all it's definition . Justice and morals are things decided by the powerful and taught downwards from there.
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    I consider myself firmly opposed to the death penalty. And despite how much of a sick-minded monster he may be, he is still a human. To justify his death would be hypocritical.
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    I just want to give my 2 cents about this situation

    1. i support that every suspected war-criminal on the list of the icc is brought to justice, no exceptions

    2. sending military advisors to the uganda army, which is the former national resistance army (btw supported by ghadaffi) which was formed out of a merge of the PRA and the UFF (see how complicated it gets allready?), is not a really good idea. It has significant blood on it's hand.

    3. This is one of the most chaotic, violent and complicated places on earth. Kongo is in a state of civil war for decades. It is worse then Somalia! There are atleast 10-20 warloards almost equaly as bad as joseph kony. Sad but reality. What comes if he gets killed/arrested? Sure the world got rid of one evil person, but at the overal situation it will not change anything. Don't get me wrong i support this movement, but it will not change anything in the region.

    4. Catching kony: As i understand the situation Kony is in kongo, so training uganda forces will help squad. Kony is a master(for african standars) of guerilla and jungle warfare. it would take years to train the UPDF to be able to mount a viable offensive against him. Also him being in kongo kind of makes it useless.
    Sending in special forces alone: Bad idea! While i don't doubt the ability of the Deltas,KSK ,Seals or even speznaz to in theory find (with help of cia,fsb etc) and eliminate the warcriminal, i can only warn of sending westerners in the most dangerous place on earth. Even hard ass special ops soldiers will hesitate if a child soldier stands before them. It is a situation, that is one of the most feared of any soldier in any war.

    5. Large scale intervention. In my honest opinion it is long overdue that the un sends forces to central africa. To atleast secure large safe zones. African blue helmet corps should be stationed and financed. Then send some smaller forces in from the us or europe to launch spec ops into teritory of kony. As for the jungle guerilla forces, aside from safe zones, there can not really be done anything against them. Aside from waging a giant war against them. But that will not happen. The West doesn't care enough about africans for that. Sad but true.
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    More people die of starvation in three days then this guy and his group has killed in total. You can spend your money on something better
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    I never proposed spending any money. They want you to buy the kit or whatever but fuck that :p we just need people to get interested and even if this is an underhanded media stunt it's still pretty good for society over here to gain some god damn perspective.
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    Killing Kony is not a solution, it's like killing an ant in the ant nest. We have to tackle the core of the problem. Increasing wealth of average African can do more than a one million men army.

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    Indeed. This sort of thing will continue happening until the African nations are capable of caring for themselves, economically.
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    Poverty is the main cause of crimes even in every western society. England and France would still continue to slaughter each other, but instead they chose to trade: A path of peace, wealth & prosperity.
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    So, from what I've read, 70% of the money never reaches Africa. What 30% actually gets to Africa, mostly goes into buying weapons for the SPLA/Ugandan army (Both of which, as I stated previously, have been accused of mass rape, genocide, and crimes against humanity).
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    I don't support military intervention, but if there would be, shouldn't be the UN instead of the USA?
  19. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    I agree in theory, but in practice by the UN is too slow moving an organization to be really effective as a rapidly deployable peacekeeping force. It would work to say move the UN into the region to help it attain sustainability, but I think the only way you're going to kill/capture the head honcho's is to have an American or foreign Special Operations Team go after them semi-unilaterally
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