Israel and Iran - Will we see air strikes soon?

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by matthewchris, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. Benerfe Well-Known Member

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    I fondly remember in High School Govt Class when our teacher told us to raise our hands if we should let Iran get uranium for energy, I was one of the few to raise my hands..

    They already have Uranium now, and although they might be building a nuke or using it for energy. I assure that they will never nuke anyone, in our time...
  2. Melanthropist Well-Known Member

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    I think I know what you are talking about. But what are some of your ideas for doing that?
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    I'll tell you mine. Say to Iran - in exchange for full inspection, Israel will offer full inspection.
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    1) In what way is it arrogant?

    2) No, it I think their is pretty good chance they will launch because they said themselves that they want israel gone, wiped out, on several occastions. The fanatical regime is just one more reason not to like them.

    3) You said they had a justifiable reason not to like israel, You think Israel's existence is good reason to hate them? Theocratic backwards nation is exactly what they are, stop trying to sugar coat it. from womens rights to tolerance of non muslims. How can you call them anything but that? Severe consequences? I am having hard time thinking of something more severe then a nuclear launch? Care to fill me in.

    And yea your argument is basically let's not be mean, if we gets nukes why can't iran, I mean is the only fair thing to do".

    How the hell can you "assure" us they would not nuke anyone. Are you friends with Ahmadinejad or Khamenei?
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    For the record, Ahmadinejad actually realizes the terrible situation his country is in and wants to talk. But he's gonna lose the election to Khamenei who does not want to negotiate at all.
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  6. Melanthropist Well-Known Member

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    1. You don't care about a country's view on your country. Sounds pretty arrogant, like you're too bad of a mofo to have to care.
    2. Okay, they don't like Israel. They even go so far to threaten them, so what? They are not going to launch a nuke because they dislike Israel. That's a hollow argument and you know it.
    3. Personally, I don't think Israel should exist. That being said I wasn't around when they were made a country, so I couldn't object to it then. There is no real way to get rid of them now, and any attempt would be extremely wrong. So we have to accept the fact that they are around, but them being aggressive like this won't help them in the long run with relations to the middle east.
    4. Frankly, I don't care about your opinion in regards to Iran. I'm sure you see it as some objective fact, but that's not really any good reason to suspect them of being extremely irrational. Hell, I agree with you. I think a lot of what they do is disgusting, but of course it would appear that way to me.
    5. You give me a good reason why they would launch a nuclear weapon and I'll agree with you on that one.
    I wish my arguments came out as stupid honest as that when I first presented them.
  7. Spartacus Well-Known Member

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    1) No, I am not saying that to be badass. I am saying you should not let what some other country thinks of you, get in the way of your goals.

    2) You are once again missing my point. Why should we let them have nukes when that opens up the possibility of them launching. They threatened isreal on many occasion and just maybe we should be a little hesitant in letting them have nukes.

    3) I don't think they are being unreasonable at all. A chief rival in their region who despises them is trying to get their hands on the most powerful weapons on earth. Would you not try to stop them, if you were in Israel's place?

    4) Wait you don't care about someone else's opinion? That's pretty arrogant, almost sounds like your saying your to much of a badass motherfucker to care. But seriously, you said you don't care for my opinion, but you agree it and that they commit many attrocities and are in many ways a backwords and antiquated nation, but you don't think that makes them just little tiny bit irrational?

    5) Once again I am not guaranteeing that they are gonna launch, I am saying why take the chance. It's possible, espicially given their almost irrational hate for israel, and they don't need a nuke. If we have the power to stop them why shouldn't we? Give me one good reason why we shouldn't stop them and I will agree with you.
  8. Melanthropist Well-Known Member

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    Okay, so from what I am getting from all this is that you believe we shouldn't take the chance of them getting nuclear weapons? Because if they did they could potentially strike Israel? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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    That, but my main concern is that anybody launching nukes could potentially cause a nuclear apocalypse. Iran does not need to have nukes, so why should we even take a chance by letting them build some?
  10. Melanthropist Well-Known Member

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    Okay. I'm going to ask one simple question, and I apologize for how many I've asked. I'm going to stop doing that, the only reason I did it in the beginning was to understand a few things. Please answer as honestly as you can and don't ask a question at the end or anything because you think I'm trying to make a point.

    What would you, say if you were the president, be willing to do to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?
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    If it came down to it, I would be willing to let israel use military action. I would avoid getting the US into another war directly, but I would defintaly support Israel.
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    Sorry, turns out I need to ask questions anyways.

    What would that support mean?
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    Public and political support. Militarily, Israel could take Iran on it's own, and would not the help of the US military.
  14. Melanthropist Well-Known Member

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    I'll get back to you tomorrow, I can't stay awake anymore.
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    Same here.
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    That's not how the Iranian Gov't works btw.... You basically said the equivalent of The queen of England is going to be running in the next Prime Minister election..
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    I read something about the elections and Khamenei and Ahmadinejad in a standoff in TIME, and that was just how I interpreted it. Can you explain how it does work please?
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    That is okay I suppose. However, I don't see why we should be supporting them anyways. I don't see why they are our ally, or why we should be defending them. Other than our strategic imperial interests in the region. Playing that game is pretty unsustainable from how I see things.

    There's a few things bugging me about saying Israel could take Iran on its own, with the biggest being the population of Iran (78,868,711) compared to the population of Israel (7,590,758). Population wouldn't decide the war on its own, but that's a pretty big difference. If they started losing, would you intervene?
  19. D3VIL Well-Known Member

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    There have been many reports to the contrary that Israel couldn't do it without US military backing.
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    We suppot them because they are one of the few friendly nations in the region. As for Your and D3vil's question on whether or not israel could win. Yes, Regardless of population, israel's military is just years ahead of iran's, so regardless of population I think they could win. In the unlikly event that they do start losing, I would have to intervene because I already backed them publicly declared my support for the mission.

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