Opening my eyes as an atheist

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  1. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    Then your entire belief in the lack of a god is disproven by your own standards. Invalidity of result is not the same as a negative. All I am trying to show you is that your belief in atheism comes from none of the logic you pretend to use as a base, but rather a disillusionment with the world in general, probably stemming from some sort of crisis that brought doubt into your mind while you still considered yourself Catholic as a child (age not specified). Upon realizing that with these doubts, according to Christianity, your fear turned to anger, and you found it easier to just turn to the idea that the Christian God, or any for that matter, does not exist, meaning that death just means the void, rather than an eternity of pain and suffering.

    Reread your argument with me, if you want to see automated look at your own posts not mine. At least 1 in 3 ended with how stupid I or my argument was as a reason for being wrong. I have even conceded to agnosticism, but if you won't even take that and call it even, fine by me.
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    He's not a native english speaker. He lives in Germany. You are gonna have to understand that most people on this forum are not English speakers.

    How can a divine power be created?
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    'At first there was nothing. And then, God. And for several seconds it was glorious! BUT LO! He was bored. Bored to tears. Thus, universe. Then thoust said, "in thy image thoust must proclameth something to control...eth.... SO! Adam and Eve.' -Signed, God.


    Something like that. Hopefully yall don't get too mad :D
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  5. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Actually, scientists have created simple living cells in conditions that are similar to those on Earth billions of years ago, I believe, rendering this video irrelevant; so we can put it with the peanut butter and banana ones, the latter of which is the most ironic, seeing as the banana the guy held and referred to has been "created" by man.
    And while evolution doesn't instantly disprove any religion, it does disprove a very important part of the Bible, which is the only source that Christianity has for their deity, leading some people to believe the entirety of the religion can be discarded.

    EDIT: And wait, I just noticed, but the video is called "Disproving atheists", even though it has absolutely nothing to with either atheism, or even evolution. Then again, I tend to call either bullshit or trolling on every single video that says "Disproving atheism", as it's general a question that would be answered with "We don't know yet", to which the reply (virtually) always is "Therefore God did it", which is a terrible argument.

    It's very simple: We don't know yet. Heck, we don't even know for sure if the Big Bang even happened, we'll have to wait until we have technology that allows us to capture light particles from that time so we can actually see it. Or at least, that's what I think I've read about it.

    The thing is that "If anything needs to have a beginning, what created the universe?" is a terrible argument. Right now, there are a few hypotheses that for now can't be validated. However, that question or argument might as well apply to God. Or, if the answer to that is "God has no beginning or end.", then that means the universe itself could have no beginning or end. Now, I know far too little about physics, especially regarding all of this, to formulate great arguments and stuff, but I do know scientists themselves aren't sure yet.
    However, some people think this somehow proves God, which is just as ridiculous as thinking evolution disproves God. If you ask a scientist something he doesn't know, he'll most likely reply with "We don't know yet, we're working on it", just as how Richard Dawkins replied to Bill O' Reilly.

    Atheism seems to come from the line of thought where only the things that are proven to be true are worth believing, or at least things that can be deducted from logical thinking.
    I don't know where what you mean exactly with "disillusionment with the world in general", could you explain it in a bit more detail?
    And I don't know for greatmustachio himself, but personally, I never experienced any crisis with religion, nor did I doubt God for the sole and simple reason that my parents never bothered with teaching me anything about any religion at all. We did have some kind of religion class in school, but from what I can remember, it was more about stories from the Bible or something, but I don't think the teacher who gave it mentioned divinity incredibly much, nor did we pray or any of that stuff.
    Don't forget that in Europe (or at least the western part of it), religion no longer has the importance it still has in the US. Many people don't have a religious upbringing, and when in your entire life you've been taught logical things, religion sounds absolutely ridiculous. The same applies the other way around, where evolution might sound strange to religious people.
    Again, I can't speak for greatmustachio, but to me, not believing in God isn't "the easy way out". Quite the contrary, actually. Disregarding experimentation, logic, reason, free thinking and teaching in favour of what might be a free ticket to an alleged afterlife sounds like a bad thing to do to me.
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    If I could say something about the Big Bang.

    When you look into the works of Hawking and other experts on the subject, there is a huge misconception. That is the Big Bang created the universe. However what they are actually saying is the Big Bang created the universe as we know it, inferring that a different universe existed before ours and then collapsed and was born anew into the universe we know today. So a universe in some form has always existed.

    Religious people often answer the difficult question of who created god by saying, "Well God has always existed." I can do you one better and save a step by saying the universe has always existed.
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    "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians." - Mohandas Gandhi.
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    No, I don't know a quote which applies to that picture.
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    what about this
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    This could have been a response to the picture:
    "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein.
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    But then I can say God is the Universe which is what I believe.
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    Can you stop with the sarcastic pictures.
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    why
  17. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    The Easter bunny has nothing to do with Christ or Christianity. Rabbits were symbols of fertility in ancient times and with the introduction of Christianity as state religion of the Roman Empire, certain symbols were given other meanings to suit with Christian holidays.
  18. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    How can God be the universe? That sounds as logical as me saying Stalin is Earth.

    edit: also another thing. Your original argument was God created the universe. Now you are saying that all along you believed he is the universe. Make up your mind.
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  19. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    I really, really feel like putting up this video... Especially after seeing where this has been going...

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  20. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    Eh, I take my God and science together. Mix them up a little and everything's nice and good.

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