To me, the only thing that can be deducted by logic regarding a god is agnosticim, but to each is own. By "disllusionment with the world in general" I meant the realisation that life's a bitch. The, "How can God allow..." questions, or the, "Well someone else believes this..." thing. When doubt starts to firmly take root, and fear of the repercussions of that doubt, as described above, set in. I find many theists go through this at one time or another, and I believe that mustachio's reaction was anger. I've got to go now. I'll finish this explaination later.
Apart for the fact that it's biased as shit ("godisimaginary.com"), there are some parts I agree with. However, I don't like the way he talks about God being imaginary, like it's a commonly accepted fact. That's just as stupid as saying "I'm certain that God exists, and nobody could ever tell me otherwise".
how did it collapse? it would make sense if our universe was a "ball" but our universe is flat. would you care to enlighten me ;D
I'm back. To continue, there also has been a great loss of significance for religion in the US. Most children attend public schools, where religion is only talked about an aspect of culture, rather then an absolute truth. To me, at least (and I know this is going to sound weird, but please hear me out.), logic is only based on perception. If one believes that a god exists, then that person's logic is based around the fact that a god exists. If one believes that god does not exist, then that person's logic is based around the none existence of a god. I believe St. Thomas Aquinas spoke of it in his writings, but I'll have to check and see.
uhhhhh... Am I missing something? Do we suddenly only live in 2 dimensions? Edit: Also, I think the better question is not whether God exists, but whether, if he does anything/deserves praise. To me, the answer is no, at least it was never proven to me. So I don't acknowledge the existence of him because I don't see the point/ don't know what he does.
If it was a ball the expansion speed of the universe would slow down little by little and eventually we would have a the big crunch. But scientist have discovered that the universe is expanding faster than anybody would have imagined and the only shape that allows this is flat. I am also mindfucked about dimensions..... Also flat universe has zero energy and thus can come from nothing. I REPEAT FLAT UNIVERSE CAN COME FROM NOTHING! I will post a video but in the mean time read read about it.s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_Universe Here's the full video ( 1,5 million viewers on a science video that doesn't have space photos wtf)
Just ignore that advertising part. He keeps repeating that throughout his videos. Apart from that, he can explain and exemplify it pretty well.
I know. He's just a bit biased, in the sense that, he too, keeps shouting things like they're "certain". Even though, they aren't.
Its a debate. Yes I told you to keep an open mind and I am surprised you actually are forging your own beliefs. However, for the sake of argument, I am still gonna try to make you give reasons to your claims.
I'll side with you on the first sentence. Most atheists say "There's no evidence for any kind of deity/deities, therefore, no reason to believe in any of them". Still, it is as you said, agnosticism is the only logical "belief". I can see what you're coming from. If you're constantly being told God is omnipotent and benevolent, and something terrible happens to you, doubt instantly slips into your mind. However, I stand by my point. This is not the only way people "turn" atheist. Heck, people are born atheist. Actually, that doesn't sound weird at all, and makes a lot of sense. Religion (or the lack thereof) is a big part in someone's life, whether they like it or not. One's logic and line of thought will run parallel to ones religious beliefs, consciously or not.
I am glad we can agree on something. I was just saying what I felt about him, but not about atheists in general. I wouldn't go so far to say as "from birth" though. Sorry, I just thought that I might be yelled down by some people because because, "Since logic dictates that there is no deities, there can be no other logic."
Aren't we all? Of course, I understand. I was giving other possible "explanations" towards his beliefs, I should've stated that more clearly. Well, as at birth, you have basically no knowledge, you have no knowledge of any kind of religion either. You end up believing in your youth what you're taught, generally by your parents. Over time, your beliefs may of course change in whatever way possible. No need to apologize. It is as you said, logic dictates that for now it is impossible to know whether any kind of deities exist, although I'd personally add it's more likely than not they don't.
I can meet you atheists halfway and admit that we can't prove God/gods but you can't disprove God/gods.
