So I am just gunna come out and say it.

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  1. tobyfan96 Member

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    I say if women aren't fit to rule then I say babies should run things
    tobyfan96, Mar 23, 2012
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  2. JosefVStalin El Presidente

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    If you use the Austrian school of economics to defend any view point then you don't have a clue how economics works. Did you know that the Austrian school of economics is the only school of economics which doesn't use empirical arguments, meaning arguments based on facts and observational evidence. The Austrian school uses "rational" based arguments based on personal insights. It's similar to Freudian Psychology in that sense.

    Also you are speaking of a socialist state, not a communist state. Marx said that the socialist state would wither away and be replaced with a communist one. That is the transition period which you are speaking about. It is beneficial while you are arguing to actually get your facts straight.

    Sorry that argument fails because even by their own admission successor states had to stray from Marx's original plan. Because communism arose in countries without strong industrial bases such as Russia and China. Where there was no proletariat class to raise up and take the reigns of power fundamentally undermining one of the pillars of Marxist theory. Ergo you can't point to either of these countries as Marxist states because they lack one of the defining characteristics of one.

    Also when you speak of the Paris Commune you are fundamentally misunderstanding what Marx said in his address. All that he was saying is that the proletariat would need to organize and defend itself from the bourgeois. Which makes logical sense when you consider the brutal massacres of civilians and the summary executions which took place once the government regained control.

    Personally I like that the libertarian believes that somehow his ideology would promote liberty. I assume you are speaking out liberty in the sense used by Hobbes no doubt.
    JosefVStalin, Mar 23, 2012
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  3. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Just a masters, the idea of having to sit in front of a panel of tenured proffesors and give a 6 hour oral exam in which I'm expected to be able to quote beker numbers from a hidden Aristotle text is terrifying.
    pedro3131, Mar 23, 2012
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  4. Spartacus Well-Known Member

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    Not at all, he created athen's first written constitution. While his laws did serve to distinquish invulontary homicide from murder, they did not just focus on murder. For instance if someone was in debt to you, you could enslave them as long as they were a lower social class. He made death the punishement for the smallest of crimes.
    here
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/170671/Draco?anchor=ref267033
    or
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_(lawgiver)
    Spartacus, Mar 23, 2012
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  5. greatmustachio Mount & Blade Branch Head

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    Did you read Aristotles Athenean Constitution in Greek? If not, you should.... and the one writing the article on Drakon on wikipedia should too....
    greatmustachio, Mar 24, 2012
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  6. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    This is correct, but how was the ml states a DotP when the Proletariat had no real power? Especially sense China and many other ones had almost no proles.
    Lenin Cat, Mar 24, 2012
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  7. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Do you speak Ancient Greek? I know my brother is getting his degree in classical studies at NYU and he barely has a handle on Greek well enough to understand that stuff

    edit: Yes it would be nice if we could do that, but it's not very practical to teach yourself a dead language that takes years to master just to read a few texts. There are plenty of decent translations out there.
    pedro3131, Mar 24, 2012
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  8. Spartacus Well-Known Member

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    You want me to read it in greek? why, whats wrong with the english version?
    Spartacus, Mar 24, 2012
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    I would like to see this but of course the women would pass silly laws like nailing the toilet seats down or making stealing illegal. But in all seriousness not a bad idea.
    Lighthouse, Mar 24, 2012
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    Making gender preferential laws is a terrible idea! Pree' sure this thread wasn't supposed to be taken seriously XD
    LampRevolt, Mar 24, 2012
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    The problem with your point here Stalin, is that men don't rule the world. Yes, the people who hold influence and positions of power are men, but that does not mean they are representing the whole of mankind in some sort of all male conspiracy.
    LittleElf, Mar 24, 2012
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    - Schopenhauer on women
    Unillogical, Mar 25, 2012
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  13. Unillogical Ex-Admin

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    I'm going to have to double post because it wont let me edit the above post. In any case while obviously I disagree with Schopenhauer's ideas of women (being a man of logic & reason) it makes for an amusing read.
    Unillogical, Mar 25, 2012
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    I don't want to live in a world where our not-so-absent admin has to double post :(
    Yarpen, Mar 25, 2012
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    esac1122, Mar 25, 2012
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  16. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    Let's see what Aristotle had to say.

    "Even a woman may be good, and also a slave; though the woman may be said to be an inferior being, and the slave quite worthless. The second thing to aim at is propriety. There is a type of manly valour; but valour in a woman, or unscrupulous clev- erness, is inappropriate."
    CoExIsTeNcE, Mar 25, 2012
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    Unillogical, Mar 25, 2012
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  18. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    Fun fact: The first modern societys to give women equal rights where all socialist ones.
    Lenin Cat, Mar 25, 2012
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  19. Spartacus Well-Known Member

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    Oh, but I thought feminism still claims women do not have equal rights.
    Spartacus, Mar 25, 2012
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  20. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    Well as far as legal basis goes they where given equal rights. But your right, in most of the world women are still of lower social standing.
    Lenin Cat, Mar 25, 2012
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