So I am just gunna come out and say it.

True in places like like iran, they are far from equal, but i was talking more about the existence of the so called patricarchy in western society.

Women in the west are of weaker social standing, they are subservient to men in the patriarchy..

Can you give examples of "weaker social standing"?

Women make something like 77c to a man's dollar?

True there is notable wage gap(77c is debatable, depends on what source you use and there is bill in congress that aims towards shrinking this gap), but do you think that this is sign that western society is run by a patriarchy?

We count Congress's progress by the number of women on them?

An entire Academy of my associates are doing a magazine on celebrating the progress of women in society?

This is Women's History Month?

Here is one for you:
Question: Why is there no Men's History Month?
Answer: Because it is all the other months of the year!
That is what I get from some of my associates from the States.

Ok forgive me, but I seem to have missed your point.

My point was the original one that you refuted.

Only the west?

Yay and nay.

In some Eastern countries, women are not as 'valued' as men. Its a hold-up-the-family-honor thing.
In some Middle Eastern countries, they are allegedly abused. Legally.
In some African countries, they are subjected to 'demeaning' practices.

But you bring up a good point:
People tend to look at this from a Western point of view.

Ok but you never answered if the wage gap is an indicator that a patriarchy exists in the west. In the US, while you pointed out that there is still a wage gap between sexes, women do have some social advantagtes over men. For example if a male and a female are fighting over custody of child, the female always has an advantage. Hell this shit is happening to my cousing right now, his ex girlfriend wants custody of their kid, even though my cousin is the one who has been taking care of him since he was born, and his ex is addicted to oxycottin, and despite all that it's looking like she will be granted custody.
My point is while there is inequality between males and females, it is not entirely one sided.

And my point is equally that the majority of the battles are uphill for women.
Its a common and not at all misplaced notion.
And yes, the wage gap is an indicator of a sort of patriarchy.

Aparently custody battles are pretty downhill for women. If the wagegap is an indicator of patriarchy, Then by that logic, the unfair advantage women have in custody cases would indicate a matriarchy.

Sorry don't want to interfeer with your discussion i just found that sentence interesting, without reading the whole thread.

In my opinion men and women enjoy a great deal of advantges, over the other, in a variety of different fields. For instance work related issues are often in favor for men, while everything related to children is heavily in favor of the women. Is the massive inbalance in everything children related now a sign of matriarchy? We have to be really careful to not just focus on one issue if we want to determine gender-equality.

edit: curse you sparticus 1244! I shouldn't have went to the bathroom before posting! oh well you beat me this time.

I was not saying it was, I was using the same logic he used for the wage gap, on my point on child custody to show how it did not make sense. I agree with you, if we want gender equality, we can't focus on the issues of one sex. That's why I can't stand the notion that a patriarchy exists in the west.

We allready agree since i said the same like you, just with terrible grammar but when i pressed that reply button your post was not there, kind of like you probably missed my edit

Ok sorry for the mix up.

Not particularly.
The overall is that women are at a disadvantage.
True, in matters of childrearing, right or not, women are usually the favored, but that is not unusual in the history of species in general.

Pay and job oppertunity are big indicators of a gap in the power of one gender over the other.

How else besides the wage gap are they at a disadvantage? And just because something is not unusual, does not make it any less wrong. That's like saying for most of human history, women have been subserviant to men, so its not that bad.

its the patriarchy because women are suppost to be these stay at home care givers, while men are suppost to be workers. Thus women get favored in custody battles.