Who would you vote for?

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Who would you vote for in 2012 for president?

Mitt Romney 1 vote(s) 1.4%
Rick Santorum 2 vote(s) 2.7%
Newt Gingrich 2 vote(s) 2.7%
Ron Paul 17 vote(s) 23.3%
Barack Obama 39 vote(s) 53.4%
Other 12 vote(s) 16.4%
  1. Chives Newest Member

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    He'll win the election because his only competition will be a reactionary.
  2. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    You don't have to tell me, I voted against him in 06.... I still think he'll win the primary though. Lot's of people in Western PA like him
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    Maybe, but the more densely populated East doesn't like him at all.

    And I can willingly say that the areas around Pittsburgh are no different.

    He doesn't stand a chance in his own state.
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    Then again, look at the Republican candidates. After a thorough look at each of them, you will see why people will actually vote for Obama, whether or not they actually like him.
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  5. FascistPatriot voted for Obama

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    Under Obama unemployment has risen, our moral values have deteriorated, we are no longer being respected in the world. Obama has turned America into a declining empire. He has weakened our economy, weakened our military and weakened our standing. He has proven to be a soft, weak president who wants a flaccid America. He makes Carter look like Washington or Reagan.
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    Employment is rising, the economy is returning to pre-recession rates, and actually we are much more highly respected by the world considering we have not rushed off into any wars without our allies (i.e. Libya). He pulled us out of Iraq, a shit hole that Republicans put us in, then kept us in. He isn't so quick to rush off to war with Iran (who doesn't actually have the capabilities to attack the US mind you), he authorized the killing of OBL (not killed, but authorized) and several other terrorists (Anwar Al-Awaki) and his approval rating is rising as well. Not so horrible if you think about it like that. (In my opinion, disregarding facts, Obama has been meh with the economy, but mainly succeeded in foreign policy)
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    But still, (and I´m not defending the fascist patriot point of view of Obama), the troops in Iraq continued long after the supposed date of getting out of the country. And Obama even tryed to negociate with the Iraqi government to stay a little bit longer there. About Iran, the sanctions and the pressure against Iran has risen during Obama´s government. The fact that OBL and other important terrorists were killed does not make Obama a hero, because killing Osama and other famous terrorists didn´t solved the problem of islamic terrorism (which is only solved by taking all of Nato´s military precense in the middle east and by doing peace talks with the terrorists organizations). Obama enlarged the american war effort in Afghanistan. And the economy is turning better because of the private sector, while Obama´s economic policies failed eppically.

    Look, doing the argument of the "lesser evil" is not very intelligent. There are many other candidates then the ones of the republican and democratic parties, other candidates who probably have more ideals which you agree more then Obama´s ideals and policies. Just because those candidates will never win, that doesn´t mean that you not have a reason to vote for them.

    That is the problem of the american political system. The two-party system of the country makes americans very far from other political parties.
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    Obama.

    To me he seems to be the only President who is actually part of the intelligentsia and semi competent. However, he does compromise a lot when dealing with the Republicans, that may explain why people see him as a weak president.

    *From a foreigner who barely follows US politics*
  9. 0bserver92 Grand King of Moderation

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    Actually Obama has caused unemployment to go down recently unless you haven't been paying attention. I would also like to know what moral values have deteriorated. No, America is still pretty much the most powerful and respected in the world. He didn't weaken the economy, he became president after the recession started because of past policies especially Bush.
  10. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I would like to point out for those claiming that we murdered a US citizen without a trial, Al Awaki was the guy that inspired Osama Bin Laden, and was the leader of Al Qaeda after Bin Laden was killed. We didn't kill a normal everyday happy citizen, we killed the leader of arguably the biggest terrorist organization in the world. That in no way means Joe Schmoe can get shot on the street by a government agent for no apparent reason.
  11. FascistPatriot voted for Obama

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    The only reason the economy is looking better is because investors are anticipating a republican win and adjusting accordingly. Thats why the stock markets gotten better. Buy while it's still shitty and it'll pay off when republicans win. I actually agree with his desicion to take out Al Alwaki but I give the CIA far more credit than him. As for Iraq we only left because Iraq wanted us to. I believe Obama promised a much earlier withdrawal date. The current plan to leave Afghanistan by 2014 was Bush's timetable.
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    So the economy got better because people invested if that were the case people are unemployed solely because they don't want to invest so you cannot blame Obama for jobs then but rather the investors. That is not true though most jobs are generated by small business not giant corporations.
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    @FascistPatriot I think the reason the respect of USA has gone down is because of republicans,fundamentalist Christian and right wing people in general.
  14. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    1) As Observer pointed out, unemployment has been on the decline lately.
    2) Recall that the current state of the economy is the result of Republican actions. Their blatent neglegence is to blame for many of the misfortunes of the economy. Obama had to fix what they broke and that isn't easy when every attempt he makes is blocked in Congress.
    3) Recall that Presidents are not g-ds or demi-g-ds. They are just people who want to help their country and do so to the best of their ability. They cannot just generate a utopia out of their ***es.
    4) Moral values?! What kind of **** Republican argument is that?! Which ones? How in the world do you quantify? Not too long ago it was perfectly legal for a man to rape his wife. Suppose that the Congress that put a stop to that 'degraded moral values' in the United States. Prove to me that Obama has even changed American values and that that change was not for the better.
    5) Respect is earned. Recall that most of that respect lost [and in some place, won] was because of actions by the Republicans that plunged the US into not one but two wars in the Middle East. I would put forth that, whatever the Republican Party feels, the majority of the world praised the US commitment in Libya, Constitutional or not. I personally viewed it as one of the few just wars that the US has engaged in since World War II.
    6) Weakened your military?! Weakened your military?! The US military has never been leaner, meaner, more mobile, more efficient, and more devestating at any point in its existence. For that matter, no human military has ever been as proficient as the US military. Instead of sending American boys and girls to die in foreign soil, he is telling them to invest in drone technology so that they can attack from afar.
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    Just to add on to an already badass post, the Republicans put America into a shit war in Iraq and Afghanistan, which through millions of billions of dollars at increasing our military. Obama has actually made our military even better by adding drones, which are totally cost efficient and lives efficient. I would also like to to point out that in the world today, there are 22 aircraft carriers, 11 of which belong to the US. So our military is hardly on the decline. By Obama not being so gung-ho on invading other countries as soon as shit hits the fan, the world is more respectful of us. Our relations with European nations was largely shit when Bush left office, and Obama has taken steps to improve relations with our nominal allies.
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    Unless you yourself are multipule multi-billion dollar investors, no one is anticipating a Republican win in November.

    And I believe 6 comes after 7.

    Gee, it's easy if you believe!
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    Barrack Obama cos he is the only one reppin'
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    In all honesty, 2016 is when all the Republican candidates who are actually competent will come forward. Running incumbents can sometimes be difficult, and while beating Obama can't be SO hard, it still is a challenge. They really have to focus on expanding on their majority in the House and gaining a majority in the Senate, but that is just my opinion. By the way, you have to feel bad for Mittens, I mean, he always was the inevitable candidate, but this thing has been soooooooooooooooooo prolonged by those who simply steal the spotlight for a month or two, a flavor of the month so to speak. But Mittens was always there, keeping a consistent approval rating. Hell, I mean he has a massive percentage of Republicans who think he can beat Obama, but his approval rating is so much lower, I mean, an average of around 45% in primaries is sad, he can't even establish a majority.
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    Actually if this current trend of job creation a GDP growth continues and Obama follows up on his promise to pull out of Afghanistan by 2014, The Democrats are going to be sitting pretty by 2016. They might even get the majority back in the House. But of course after 8 years of Democratic domination and with competent candidates GOP like Chris Christie the Republicans are looking good too. I think 2016 is going to be a very close race. Like 2008 would have been without Sarah Palin.
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    Exactly, they will has Chris Christie's and Mitch McConnell's and Jeb Bush's in 2016. For this election, they are just scraping the barrel for candidates. I am also always confused when Sarah Palin is brought up either in an article or on live television. Didn't her 15 minutes of fame pass, and it is time to move on. Only the ultra-major conservatives actually listen to what she says, and takes it seriously.

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