At what point was Nazi Germany doomed to defeat?

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At what point was Nazi Germany doomed to defeat?

From the very beginning (Fall, 1939) 1 vote(s) 1.9%
From the defeat in the Battle of Britain (Summer, 1940) 3 vote(s) 5.6%
From the beginning of the invasion of Russia (Summer, 1941) 12 vote(s) 22.2%
From the failure to capture Moscow/American Entry into the War (Winter, 1941) 19 vote(s) 35.2%
From the defeats at Stalingad and El Alamein (Fall, 1942) 10 vote(s) 18.5%
From the defeat in Tunisia (Spring, 1943) 0 vote(s) 0.0%
From the beginning of effective strategic bombing (1943) 1 vote(s) 1.9%
From the defeat at Kursk (Summer, 1943) 6 vote(s) 11.1%
From D-Day (Summer, 1944) 1 vote(s) 1.9%
From the defeat at the Battle of the Bulge (Winter, 1944) 1 vote(s) 1.9%
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    Once again, nothing happened here, nothing.at.all.
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    It is not like conspiracy theories are being brewed here. BTW, Church of Scientology is a front used by the Aliens to monitor what happens on Earth.
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    Actually @Daddy92 is right, the leadership was the problem. You would know that if you had read even a few books about Italian warfare at the time. Or how do you explain that under Erwin rommel Italian troops were badass and rommel actually said:"Good soldiers, bad officers" they werent bad soldiers. like Bersaglieri units were good etc.

    if only Mussolini had waited few years to get ready to war, Italians would have been much more successful.
    thelistener, Apr 9, 2012
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    And they failed in each and every single one of them.

    They had only very few factories or notable cities in the area, it would not hurt Soviet war effort a single bit.

    In other words they do nothing of worth doing. They can demolish buildings one after another and it won't count unless it affects anything, which it does not.


    Also I like how you imagine how Hitler has the resources to do all that, lol. In first five months in eastern front, Germany looses 23% of its army mind you.

    He did it after Kursk and that was way too late.

    Small chance? Are you fucking kidding me? You should read my first post on this thread, to get an idea in how bad shape they were.
    D3adtrap, Apr 9, 2012
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    yea pretty much thats the time they needed (3-4 years)
    Daddy92, Apr 9, 2012
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    And the German naval leaders didnt think they could have a fleet able to stand up to the allies until like 1944 or something. That's why I think Hitler opted for focusing on the submarines instead. I could be wrong though.
    slydessertfox, Apr 9, 2012
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    They were using submarines since the start of the war, heck the reason Brazil entered the war was because they sunk a brazilian merchant ship in 1942, killing more than 100 innocent civilians.
    yuri2045, Apr 9, 2012
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    german uboats were the best submarines of the time was the attack to the brazilian ship planned ?
    Daddy92, Apr 9, 2012
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    Probably yes, because the germans were sinking every ship going out and to the USA. After Brazil joined the war, lots of other merchant ships were taken down as well.
    yuri2045, Apr 9, 2012
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    I think that German submarine warfare was more successful in WW1, because there was sonar in WW2.
    Shisno, Apr 9, 2012
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    I know they used the since the beginning of the war. What I was trying to say was, Donitz told Hitler well before the war that he could have a strong surface fleet by the mid 1940's, or have a strong submarine fleet within a few years. Hitler chose to focus on the subs.
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    I see, but even then Carrier fleets still owned anything the enemy threw at you.
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    Yeah. World War 2 proved that aircraft could defeat even the largest of battleships. Even biplanes lol.
    slydessertfox, Apr 10, 2012
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    Especially surprise attacks on enemy ports full of Battleships. (If you get my drift)
    yuri2045, Apr 10, 2012
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    Like in Italy?
    slydessertfox, Apr 10, 2012
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    Brazil entered the war? Man they don't teach any of the fun stuff in history class up here.
    LampRevolt, Apr 10, 2012
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    Dude...

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    Yarpen, Apr 10, 2012
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    An argentine trying to make the Brazilians look better?!?! What has the world come to?
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    I find this to be the most hilarious post ever =_D Photoshop skill: MAX
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    American propaganda doesn't allow to show us waving our Yellow and Green flag above the Reichstag. They make you believe it was some uninportant nation like those commies over the other part of Europe you know.
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