The First World War

I'd rather advance in my lifetime through hard work then have the human population adcance as a whole through generations (which happens anyway).

If you were stupid enough to drop out of high school then you did everything to yourself. Why should a college graduate have an obligation to help somebody who was lazy and quit school early?

Didnt we already have this discussion about apartments? I once say (last year when working on my civics project) an apartment in Moorestown (one of the most expensive places in the country to live in) for 1,200 dollars. A two bedroom, 2 full bath apartment with all the appliances included in the 1200 dollars. Now if its only 1200 dollars in Moorestown, it has to be cheap everywhere else.

The average American is married bro. Ergo, the average family has two people bringing in the dough.

Fast food restaurants would thrive in a recession. They are cheap, so people on a budget go to them more when the market is in ruins.

If you had such a successful franchise, you should have had a large savings. If you didn't, you are an idiot for not having a back-up plan.

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Most people have a first aid kit in case of emergencies. Do they know when someone's gonna get hurt? Do they know if they are ever gonna have to use it? No. But they have it as a back-up in case they ever need to use it. Same goes for financial planning.

It's mostly known to the lower middle class and lower class. If you are in the middle class right now, you are not in a terrible position.

I never said we dont have factories. I said we dont have many factories.

Most people don't even give a shit.

OH MAH GAWD THEY LASTED TWO MONTHS!! Obviously a great success.

If you have nobody managing the money and who does what and how everything is run, everything starts to break apart.

No political ideology saves you from a natural disaster.

300k a year is very well most definitely rich.

I'm gonna take this chance to say many of the people who "didn't have savings" lost their savings because they invested all their savings in banks that were "too big to fail". Those banks, guess what? FAILED. Which means people lost their life savings. And then they were fired. And out on the street with no savings. Is that their fault?

Excuses.

Are you willing to argue that intelligence is based on genetics? Even if it were, social darwinism and all that.

While now that all sounds nice, I don't trust a system that relies on robbery and coercion.

At least it isn't socialist.

I don't like the idea of the government controlling how much money people make.

If everybody wanted you to save them, you wouldn't have to.

I don't care about your propaganda speak.

If cooperatives suck then it's their own fault.

Education isn't a right, it's a privilege for privilege for privileged people.

How is it cheating?

My parents are divorced. My step-father gets money from being a veteran and had his education payed for. That's probably how they did it.

No.

Not enough to give you a good image.

No you.

I doubt it.

No. Just no. Education is one of our basic rights. Do you want everyone to be dirt farmers?

Just want to point out that if these teenagers stay socialists until they are older then socialists will have a higher older population (obviously) and you will have to concede that responsible people can be socialists too. Although I think, people will become more moderate as they grow older, and over time we will get a bunch of people with a political ideology similar to mine, a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

Says who? It can't be because it is something that must be given to us or developed ourselves.

No. For one you can't farm dirt, as it does not reproduce. And even if you could, it would be pointless. Nobody would do that no matter how poor they were. And people get along just fine now paying for their higher education.

There will never be a population of mature socialists because people stop being socialist as they mature.

Education is a privilege.

Same as driving.

Education most certainly is a basic right, everyone deserves a education and making people pay for a higher education is just absurd considering most advanced jobs wont take you without just a little bit of it. I'm not sure about you but i would much rather get a free higher education than paying for it and being stuk with the debt my entire life. Plus on top of all of this if everyone got a higher education we would have a much more advanced populace considering most people would have gone to college. A higher education should be about the capacity of your brain NOT your wallet.

It is a privilege.

The UN in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 26 states:
1.) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
2.) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
3.) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/#atop

are you not going to back up that claim?

Education in the sense that you're all talking about is not a right. As Shaw says, you don't have a right to the labor of someone else.

http://firstgeneration.csufresno.edu/stories/vuong.htm

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_education_a_privilege

http://www.haitinextdoor.org/2010/08/education-privilege-not-right.html

Your education can be taken away from you.

That sounds real nice, but enacting such a policy would require robbery and coercion. It's that simple.

That describes the status quo, not your revolutionary free education bs. I don't agree with it for the reasons mentioned before.

If by labor you mean teaching, then teachers will still be paid but instead of recieving their paycheck from the college they will recieve it from the government, so pretty much nothing will change for them.

Any right can be taken away from you, even in Capitalism it should be a right so everyone gets the 'equal' chance to succeed like they constantly preach.

Well I am talking about lower level education, the UN only specifies that as a human right.

HOW??? HOW ARE YOU ROBBING PEOPLE BY EDUCATING THEM????

I'm not advocating free education here. I'm saying education is a basic human right. The UN and all of its nations say it is a basic human right. It is defined as a basic human right.

Where does the government get the money? Robbery and coercion. I don't want to pay for somebody's free higher education.

Unlike real "rights" other people would have to pay for your education if it were guaranteed by the government. And the government would have to steal that money.

We are talking about higher education, which is already guaranteed.

Because in order to pay for that education the government would have to rob people.

We already ensure basic education(which I don't agree with but that is beside the point). That is not what we are talking about, which is basic education, and whether or not that is a right.

You do not have a right to education because a 'right to education' requires that someone else labor on your behalf. You cannot have a right to the labor of another person.

The UDHR has numerous flaws and constitutes nothing more than a suggestion of appropriate policy. It does not consist of actual, fundamental human rights.

You pay social security and that is paying retired people free money, plus your paying for your own free education so in a way your getting what your paying for.

But everyone gets the education so i dont see the problem there, and if by stealing you mean taxation then everyone in the world is being robbed.

Which is robbery.

So what is wrong with people literally paying for their own education?

I know, and it is a horrible injustice.