Should Kaliningrad Oblast be returned to Germany?

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Leutenant_Germany, Apr 13, 2012.

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Should Kaliningrad Oblast be returned to Germany?

Yes 8 vote(s) 22.9%
No 14 vote(s) 40.0%
Given to either Poland or Lithuania 11 vote(s) 31.4%
Made into it's own Independant state 2 vote(s) 5.7%
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  1. Leutenant_Germany Active Member

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    Well, should it?
    Leutenant_Germany, Apr 13, 2012
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  2. freeman12 Well-Known Member

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    What the hell is Kaliningad Oblast??
    freeman12, Apr 13, 2012
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  3. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Königsberg.
    Kali, Apr 13, 2012
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  4. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    I'm not sure, Leutenant, you haven't provided any real information about it, or any news about the particular area wanting to seperate to a different country.
    BattalionOfRed, Apr 13, 2012
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  5. Leutenant_Germany Active Member

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    Well as far as i know, none of it wants to become its own nation, most of the people in Kaliningrad consider themselves Russian but the mayor of the city of Kaliningrad has been conducting Re-Germanization of the city by restoring old Castles and Monunments of famous Germans from the city (such as Emmanuel Kant) and Since the city has been ethnicly German since the 1200s and only Russian since 1945 i was simply wondering what everyone else thought on the subject, if you want more info ill post a link to an article about it.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/31/kalingrad-kant-home-return-german
    Leutenant_Germany, Apr 13, 2012
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  6. DukeofAwesome Well-Known Member

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    Ideally, it would go back to Germany but the Russians moved all the Germans out of it after WWII and repopulated it with Russians.
    DukeofAwesome, Apr 13, 2012
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  7. Leutenant_Germany Active Member

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    Yes i know, and that is why im sure it wont happen i just stumbled on the article and wondered what people thought.
    Leutenant_Germany, Apr 13, 2012
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  8. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    As was said before, it is ethnically Russian. Not German. They don't need your Nazi greater Germany bs Lieutenant Germany.
    For those not in the know, Kaliningrad used to be East Prussia, but the Russians kept it after the War and repopulated it with Russians.

    The only way you could make it German again would be through more ethnic rearrangement, which is something only a Nazi would suggest, let alone do, and two wrongs don't make a right.
    The Shaw, Apr 13, 2012
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    Iwasnt advertizing it, if you read my post earlier i said that i didnt think it would happen for that reason. I simply wanted to know what people thought is that too hard a concept for you to understand without you throwing insults at me.
    Leutenant_Germany, Apr 13, 2012
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  10. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Well you are advertising it, you made a thread about it. Which led me to assume you were advocating more Nazi like revanchism and irridentism (which is a disgusting thought).
    The Shaw, Apr 14, 2012
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  11. Leutenant_Germany Active Member

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    No im not, i was looking at some articles about the closing days of the war and all the territory occupied by the Red Army i came to the article about modern day Kaliningrad and thought it was interesting, I wondered what other people thought so i made a thread. Honestly i don't want it to rejoin Germany since rebuilding East Germany after the GDR was gone was quite expensive and still a work in progress, it wouldn't be of any benefit and on top of this the people are Russians and wish to remain Russians and im perfectly fine with that.
    Leutenant_Germany, Apr 14, 2012
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  12. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Obvious Nazi.
    The Shaw, Apr 14, 2012
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  13. Leutenant_Germany Active Member

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    Im trying to decide if your being serious or joking
    Leutenant_Germany, Apr 14, 2012
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  14. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    By the way, why the hell am I the only person who voted no?
    It doesn't surprise me that the Fascist voted yes, and it's hilarious that Mayor voted for Poland, but why did nobody vote Russia?
    The Shaw, Apr 14, 2012
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  15. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Damn Rooskies best get out of my cities rull quick-like, 'r there's gonna be trouble.
    Kali, Apr 14, 2012
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    I voted yes purely because of the historical precedent that it was always German, or Prussian, and that I don't believe the Russians should have it because of the crimes they committed to "Russianify" it.
    DukeofAwesome, Apr 14, 2012
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  17. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Russophy, and you know who else believed in revanchism? The Nazis. As a matter of fact it was a core tenant of the Nazi ideology.
    The Shaw, Apr 14, 2012
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    Giving it back would be too difficult with all the reintegration stuff and re-Germanization, so just keep it Russian.
    VladimirGLenin, Apr 14, 2012
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    Germany could trade the city of Hamburg in return for Kaliningrad. That'd be nice and fair for everyone, and Russia would have even a cooler, more remote territory.
    Melanthropist, Apr 14, 2012
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    The Russians need a port in the Baltic sea and the Germans have plenty so let them keep it.
    PineappleJoe, Apr 14, 2012
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