Liberty vs. Security vs. Justice - Which is fundamentally best?

I believe justice to be fundamentally the most important thing in the world.

Don't get me wrong, liberty and security are both very important to me, but I see justice as the most important of the three, despite not quite receiving the same recognition as the others.

Now, tell me why I'm wrong, why you're right, and why I should think the same thing you do.
I fucking dare you.

WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.

But personally I go with Liberty on this one, I love the arguments Kali and Pedro made on the last one.

Justice is a ideal, liberty is a inalienable right, and security should be promised amongst all others.

Fundamentally it's Justice. The number one this I want in a society above everything else is justice.

So you want someone to bake you a cake, watch as you eat it, then wipe your ass?

Unfortunately, it's not that simple, we can't have all three, they conflict at points.

Liberty. Security and justice are impossible without it.

I don't see your reasoning

I mean you will always be at the mercy of those in power if you surrender yourself to them.

Justice is an ideal, subjective.
Liberty is an inalienable right, it is akways promised in todays society.
And security should be promised amongt others, security is not fully attainable, no matter the cost.

What does that have to do with anything here?

http://www.josefvstalin.com/threads/liberty-vs-security.7681/

See thread

That thread doesn't discuss security.

For that matter, what about equality, or order?

Actually the thread originally doesn't talk about Justice, but Pedro does mention it.

No they don't. If you were to subtract one of the three from the other, for instance liberty, then the other two, security and justice, would become entirely different things. They are all interdependent of one another as products of prosperity brought about by functionality.

The subject of that thread was individual liberty vs collective security. Not what this thread was intent for.

It's as Demon says. If we're not talking about them as functions of a political reality, then they are entirely interdependent. Justice is not generally discussed because it's completely subjective, and there cannot be said to exist a 'perfectly just' society. In fact, since justice is simply 'doing what believe think is right', it is inseparable from ideology and personal ethics, and will always differ from person to person.

Who would deny that justice is fundamentally the righting of a wrong?

Define wrong, subjective.

It is not subjective, you only make it subjective.
It's an abstract idea.
There is a right and an antithical wrong

Something being an idea makes it subjective, justice is subjective to the person behind it some see murder as justice. Some see justice as Injustice. Justice is subjective we both and everybody have different views on what we believe is right and wrong.