Renewed Occupy movement?

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by General Mosh, May 1, 2012.

  1. Demondaze Xenos Scum

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    All liberal economic theorists talk about the inevitable boom/bust cycle in any capitalist market economy. Now the 'bust' is by no means a depression, but it can easily become one should the subject economy fail to recover. Which is what happened before Roosevelt took office thank's to our unregulated banking system, rapid industrial expansion, and a bunch of bullshit involving credit.

    You cited Hitler and WW2 as the cure for the Great Depression, this directly supports the Military Keynesian branch of Keynesian theory. Smart cookie.
  2. crocve Well-Known Member

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    Watch the video I posted before.

    And if you defend regulation, then what about those people who work on doing the regulation? Who will regulate them, if, since they are powerfull, decide to perform corruption? Are they maigcally not self-interested, or is it just the Big Bad bussiness that are only self-interested?
  3. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Well, fair enough. I'm pretty sure not all occupy protesters feel like that though.
    Well, I know that. What I meant was that its much easier to improve your unemployment rate when you need a massive army to fight and a massive workforce to build weapons for that army to fight with. When your supplying tens of millions of men overseas, you need a lot of factories and therefore a much bigger workforce. So, lowering unemployment rate is easier in was than in peace.
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    The funny thing is, the Great Depression had been going on for a little over 3 years before Roosevelt took office. But apparently, he used his magical powers to cause it.
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    The video strictly focuses on the "Bullshit involving credit." side of things, which by no means makes the guy wrong; but by not factoring the never before seen advances being made by the industrial sector into the equation and ignoring the effects they had on the economy, he leaves us in the dark regarding the actual motivations behind said "evil" policies.
    I'd also like to add that as a technocrat I fully acknowledged Keynesian solutions as more band aid fixes than anything else, so you're not going to get me disagreeing on that front. Matter of fact you probably wont even get most Keynesian advocates disagreeing on that front.
  6. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Aliens.
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  7. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    I would also say prior to Hoover. Many of Roosevelt's policies were just expansions of things that Hoover did to alleviate the Depression, as well as some of Wilson's policies during World War I.
  8. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    The funny thing is, you didn't watch the video.
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  9. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I stopped watching it after he showed a picture of Ron Paul and then showed a motivational poster making fun of the federal reserve. That and the fact that there were tons of "related videos" called things like "Libertarianism is wrong" and stuff about the stock market crash conspiracy theories, mixed with the fact that it was posted by crocve, lead me to believe that it was some ridiculous libertarian trying to convince everybody it was teh evil government spending that sent us into the great depression. So I stopped watching it after 3 minutes.

    None of that changes the fact that it is impossible for FDR to have caused the Great Depression.
  10. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Well you're shallow. He didn't cause it, the government, led by Roosevelt, prolonged it, or failed to see the solutions that were right in front of them.
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    Other than a clearly biased video, do you have anything to back that up?
  12. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    When you say something that proves it wrong we'll talk.
  13. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    You are trying to prove that what the majority of people believe about the Great Depression and the New Deal is wrong. The whole idea of the video was to try and prove that the usual belief about what caused the Great Depression was wrong. The burden of proof lies on you, although I will gladly present proof to my side if you refuse to present any.
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    On the topic of the New Deal I would say I agree with the Shaw for the most part. I believe the New Deal was pretty much just a band aid for the Great Depression and gave people hope, but really the Great Depression started to end in 1940 with the Fall of France.
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    The video is the argument. The ball is in your court Sly, stop avoiding it.
  16. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    @slydessertfox, just because the majority of people agree with something doesn't mean its automatically right. For instance, the majority of people used to think Galileo was batshit insane. The majority of people also believe in some floating magic alien.
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    How about you read: this

    And take a look at: this
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  18. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    I like the first link. Instead of being dry and full of statistics, it was interesting and full of humor and emotion. I like easy to read, more humorous articles.
  19. D3VIL Well-Known Member

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    I don't think I find a topic as boring as discussions over capitalist efficiency. In reality, no one really knows what a truly capitalist industrial nation would be like. I wish people would call a spade a spade, and call Western capitalist nations state-capitalist nations.

    Ethically, capitalism will never align with me. I don't want to live in a society where the goal is to beat everyone else and to take all the money. I'd rather a society where people worked together to the betterment of humanity, not themselves.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery
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    America needs a Gandhi or another Martin Luther King. Having social reforms without a fight would be best.
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