Renewed Occupy movement?

Maybe you're the left wing anarchistic utopianist asshole?

Utopia means perfect society, Anarchy, Socialism, Marxism, etc do not advocate a perfect society. For that does not exist.

Anyway maybe I am a asshole on forums, I dunno.

You're a somewhat militant in your Anarchism, and you do like that idea down people's throats sometimes.

There is nothing "right-wing" about libertarianism/classical liberalism. Actually, in the early and in the middle of the 19th centurym classical liberals (being the more extremist wing also called radicals) were considered leftists.

How is libertarianism (US usage I presume) not right-wing? It favours property rights, individualism, no regulation, those who have money. It would completely end any form of social programme. If you're talking about libertarian socialism (rest of the world usage) then you'd be right, it is left-wing. It has all the good bits of libertarianism (US) with the acknowledgement that people prefer democracy over autocratic corporations without regulations. It'd be a nightmare for anyone who didn't want toxic chemicals and general pollution being pumped unrestricted into the environment.

I didnt say there was, I said Kali was right-wing. However your form of libertarianism is right-wing.

I like how we suddenly assumed Kali was some kind of libertarian vanguard.

I feel like he's said that he is a libertarian before though. Could be wrong.

Yep. It's stimulus season up in this bitch.

Nope.

Why not? Is it mainly for military/hegemonic reasons?

He advocates keynesian economics and the such.

No, Kali has never given us reason to think hes a libertarian, not all right wingers are libertarian. And I don't even think he would consider himself right wing, I believe he has stated in the past he is a Democrat. By the way, if I spelt anything wrong I apoligize, I'm on a computer without spellcheck and while I'm typing fast I'm probably missing letters and misspelling some things.

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Democrats are right wing..

Well, most average Americans would consider themselves on the left if they were Democrats, and on the right if they were Republicans. If you actually consider all the political ideologies then they are both on the right and pretty much in the same place, but when you compare the two alone, then one will be on the left and one on the right.

I suppose... but being to the left of another group doesn't make it on the left.

And that's why the two party system is inadequate for a country like America, which should champion diversity and democracy in it's true form, or at least as close to true as you can get.

When only comparing those two groups, it does. So, for Americans, the main "left" political party is the Democrats, and the main "right" political party is the Republicans.

Well, no matter how much I wish there was more diversity, there isn't. The two party system isn't going away.

It would take 10-15 years, but if you instituted proportional representation, other parties would eventually gather a sizeable following and at least be a factor in the House of Reps.

"Right wingers" (the conservatives, because I don´t believe in that political spectrum) are not completely for individual rights. They may be sometimes for property rights, but they are against abortion, euthanasia, gay rights, etc. Conservatives are also statists, as much as marxists. A type of conservatives who exist outside of the US, which are called christian-democrats, are for wellfare state and a regulated economy.

And libertarianism is not only for the big coporations. Is for everyone.

Many corporations support bigger taxes and bail-outs, because with bigger taxes, they are the only ones who can pay it and thus, their competition would loose against them. That is against the principle of the free-market, because competition should be allowed. And they are also for bail-outs, because if they are at the risk of being broke, they support the bail-out that the government aprooves. Both bigger taxes and bail-outs are derived from statism. That is why the big coporations support the Republicans and the Democrats (who practice this policies), and that is why corporatism as nothing to do with austro-libertarianism.

And austro-libertarianism has no position on the old political spectrum(I say it like that to you, because you belive that "libertarian" socialists are the only people who use the term libertarian). And the libertarian ideology does not say that it wants to destroy the enviornment. You speak like any company until nowdays as ever tryed to make products who are enviornment friendly (which is completely untrue).