French and Greek legislative elections - turning to extremisms

Giving them freedom of speech has led to them being in parliament so that hasn't worked and by the way banning them is democratic if the democratically elected parliament has voted on and agreed to ban them. For example the UK, and many other European countries, have banned denying the holocaust but nobody would call those countries undemocratic.

I agree that you should not do it, but saying that they can't is just not realistic. They can if they have the power and will to do it. You could say that they shouldn't do it.

It's sad at the same that it is interesting. Nothing special have happened in European politics in a very long time.
And I do not really see this as a threat. Because I think that the memory of WW2 and the rest of the EU will stop a fascist takeover

Democracies can vote for undemocratic principles... How do you think Hitler took power?

And frankly, restricting speech, especially for the purposes of political correctness, is disgusting. You don't get to decide what beliefs people can hold, or what they can talk about. To think that you do requires a truly warped mind.

Just saying that Hitler wouldn't have taken power if far right parties were banned. And also how is denying people the right to deny the holocaust or denying people the right to be racist disgusting? If anything the opposite is disgusting. Furthermore it doesn't take a warped mind to believe that you can decide what beliefs people can hold as by that logic most European head's of government have warped minds because most European countries have anti-racism laws and anti anti-semitic laws. The point is that as soon as a political party holds those same views they can't be banned or be made to face justice because of freedom of speech.

That's another disgusting sentiment. You are not God. If someone believes that Nazism is the road to the future, you can disagree with them. You cannot, however, punish them for it. If you try, you're considerably worse than them, and have violated our most fundamental right.

How is it not? It's always the same with you leftists, see a "problem", you use brute force to get your way. Can't leave people to live their lives or think freely, because they're clearly too stupid to think for themselves.

That's all extremely bad. Your government has no right to tell you what you're allowed to believe. I'm astounded at your willingness to cede your rights and the rights of your fellows to obtain some pathetic semblance of political correctness.

Which is GOOD. No one deserves legal persecution because of their beliefs. All men are equally free to speak their minds, and anyone who would deny that right to people whose views they find unsavory is a truly terrible human being.

First of all calm down, we can all have a good natured debate here. Secondly of course you can ban Nazism. Allowing Nazism led to the second world war! Furthermore clearly you have never been racially abused or know people who have. Racism is a horrible thing and if you ask victims of hate crimes whether they think it's anti-democratic to make racism illegal of course they'll say no. Taking away the rights of "your fellows" is allowing people to deny the holocaust and be racist. People on the right overvalue freedom of speech to the point of condoning violence. Also I know I am not God but the state is (or at least as close as we can get). Centralized power in the hands of the bureaucratic engine is the only solution to the world's problems. That and communism of course.

Wow, folks. Read it for yourself. I don't think there's anything I can point out that would have a greater impact than his own words. There's communism for you.

EDIT: Sigged.

At it's very finest

By setting on fire the Reichstag and killing the opposition, for example.

I don't want to sound like a broken disc, but do you know what you just said is (gosh I am lost for words) disgusting,horrendous and makes me think how many politicians who drive political correctness, agree with you and how can someone "overvalue" freedom of speech? You made my day even worse, thank you

Also, if you think that:"Allowing Nazism led to the second world war!" wouldn't you think its OK if we ban communism, because it caused one of the biggest genocide in history?

I feel horrible for being in anyway ideologically connected to this person.

You can ban Stalinism but not libaterian communism as that has never been tried before. I too do not want to sound like a broken record however freedom of speech can of course be overvalued when it is used as an excuse for condoning violence.

Well don't be so fucking ideologically connected then.


(Double-post merged by Bart. Thanks for the tip. ;-D )

I'm sorry that Anarcho-communism/syndicalism with marxism is related to you, but it is, and it sucks.

I included part of the Spanish version of the ABC's for your auditory pleasure.

That's a silly reason to not do anything. What, it treads on people's freedoms to harass other people and insult them for not being born Greek?

That wont do anything.

Ya, after like 20 people die. Why not ban them now and save those lives?

And then no one will ever listen to them which will solve the problem dead on.

And it's their choice. If you read the rest of your post it says it's disgusting to try and change opinion. As such I don't even see why you bring such events up. Hell, that's a good example of why Democracy is dangerous.

It's not for political correctness. It's for the betterment of the Greek people. Are you trying to say that harassing Leftists is just exercising freedom of speech?

No one ever said that. To somehow manage to confuse what has been said so drastically must take a very warped mind.

I honestly in no way shape or form can disagree with Kali on this one.