I give up on America.

Yea those are other reasons they think its Conservative.

What? How the hell would that make them think it's conservative, when it used to be called a commie plot to take over America?

Don't be an idiot. Socialism just means something is controlled by the government. The government is socialist, by pure virtue of being a government.

Having healthcare government mandated isn't a bad thing.

Socialism means the means of production are controlled by the workers not just anything.

Well Republicans were more Liberal back then. So modern liberals today see that Obamacare back then would be Conservative and sponsored by a more Conservative Democratic Party.

So, when the economy is recovering not because of Obama´s policies, but because of the recovery of private sector jobs, that makes Obama the one who made the economy recover?

Does economic stimulus mean anything to you?

You mean the economic "stimulus" of about 800 billions to create a job for each 266000 dollars spended (some of this money comes from taxation), and that because of so much spending, increased the national debt, which according to federal budget (because of many other of Obama´s policies, will be about 26 trillion dollars in 2022?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...s-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

Obama´s administration also said that unemployment would lower to about 6 % in 2012 (this was said in 2009). But it is still at 8%.

I suggest you go to Detroit. Tell the people there what you are telling us.

You can't put such a complicated and varied package up that simple. Some companies had to be saved, or a huge job loss would have occured and a second Great Depression would have happened, but I don't think you're counting them. Also source?(on jobs saved and created)

Considering that the world has been in a huge perpetual financial crisis(and no matter how you turn it, the state's expences are going to increase, and it's incomes are going to decrease) , two very expensive wars(which Bush started) and Bush's tax breaks since Obama took office, it's not surprising that the state has accumulated more debt than under Bush...

Again, Source?

Edit: Damn, Ninja'ed by Pedro

I thought that was wierd...

I´m not defending Bush. The guy was alaso a statist. But I don´t see any difference between the two.

Like the video which I showed many times (entitled "what caused the great depression") it was spending and proteccionism which Herbert Hoover and FDR defended that caused the Great Depression. The recession of 1929 was not that serious and with time it could get better . But the federal government acted like it was Hell on Earth and constructed statist policies which enlarged the recession (thus the Great Depression was created). While many countries outside the US was recovering some years later (Great Britain and France) , the same did not happened in the US, which started recovering better after the end of World War II.

I like how everyone except Friedman followers are big statists.

Lol. Herbert Hoover and massive spending? The two words don't go together. Also, I am not surprised that your only source is a biased video. Bravo.

Actually, that figure technically only counts people who are actively seeking work. Unemployment in the US is actually at about 14%. And if you count people who work part-time less than 2 hours a week, then I believe it is more like 24%. (I think you are counted as employed in the US if you work more than 1 hour a week)

tl;dr, Obama is a lying rat. He lied his way through his entire presidency, fell back on the majority of his promises, killed thousands of people, and generally fucked things up worse than they already were.

this is what made you give up on america.well better late than never. welcome to the party bro

Here we go again. The economy has improved under Obama. Unemployment has improved under Obama. Obama fullfilled his promise to get out of Iraq, he is getting us out of Afghanistan, and thanks to him, the car industry in America is still existent.

Really? Read up a bit on Herbert Hoover before you say that. He spent massively, and imposed a lot of tariffs that crippled international trade. In fact, during the election of 1932, FDR attacked Hoover for spending too much and promised to cut spending and get rid of the tariffs Hoover had imposed. I've read some books that called Hoover's policies a "New Deal Lite."