A question isolationism vs intervention?

And I would be delighted

Two words, nuke them.

(It's a joke)

I'm not for full intervention, but the federal forces are understrengthed. I would like to see Mexico come back from this without intervention.

Camaraderie.

Then you have earned the scorn of your fellow citizens. I won't say that you have to support America or its people, but you cannot complain about discrimination on that basis when you're actively subverting the value of your citizenship on the basis of race.

In the sense we're discussing, it's a citizen of the United States of America, which you happen to be.

Well that's just factually incorrect. Originally the US was meant to be a place where the British couldn't tax us and power would not be concentrated in the hands of one man.

When you say brothers and sisters, I hope you mean your literal, immediate family. Otherwise, you're just spouting racist, nationalist rhetoric.

What I'm talking about is recognizing that you were born here, live here, and directly benefit because you do. You have the right to be an insufferable ass about things and trample on all of that, but you should expect and deserve criticism for it.

Apparently not, because as you say, you don't consider the lives of your fellow Americans to be as valuable as those of a foreign nation with which you have no affiliation.

1. Thanks for the spell check.

2.I said I could care less about what my fellow Americans think, I have always expected discrimination for my actions so I'm not surprised. I could care less about race, its not about race its about helping people in a struggle.

3. If that's what it is to be am American then I would be an American regardless of rebellion or not.

4.well that may be true, but the USA has no national identity, you can be a French American or just American, it has no national religon, language, and culture.

5. I was not talking about my immediate family nor was I talking about race, or nationalism, I was talking about helping people who I share a struggle with, helping people in a bind, it doesn't matter if it was mexico, Columbia, or Canada, I would help people who need it.

6. I am grateful for the life I have here, but I would gladly give it up to help the less fortunate, it had nothing to do with countries, race, or patriotism.

7. I hold all people equal in my eyes, is that a bad thing?

@Kali

I'm sorry what?! De facto language is English, de facto religion is Christianity and the de facto culture is the one of the WASPs later mixed with immigrants, and is today as coherent and homogeneous as any other national culture in Europe.(at least the big ones)

True, but I think Rom was thinking along the lines of an official language.

While the majority of Americans are Christian, again, there is no state religion, which you Europeans seem to be so fond of.

Today the whole WASP culture thing is a little outdated.

*facepalm*
You do know what de facto means right?

Of fact or something, yes that may be true, but it isn't De Jure.

But most of what you said was redundant then. I know that English is not the official language and I know that there's no state religion in the US even though the average American is far more devoted and influenced by religion than the average European.

How so? I was merely debating that there is no de facto way to be an american.

Yes there is. I couldn't call myself an American could I? So neither should anyone who gets into America.

If you use the actual definition the only way to be an american is to be a citizen, other then that, I guess not.

You should always use the actual definition. Otherwise things get confusing.

I thought it was obvious...

Anyone have any information on "zeta" apparently they were mexico's elite soldiers first {trained by out soldiers here the U.S.} then
defected over to be a cartels enforcement and assasination arm and now it's an entire independant gang with the most territory. I also
heard they have many freinds in american based mexican mafia {prison gang}, MS-13, and other gangs in the U.S and canada. Im afraid of
violence spilling over and how mexico's drug wars { that we started cause everyone in the U.S wants to buy and do drugs} will affect us here and as a nation. Or everyone can have a fiesta or go fishing that could also happen...

if it didn't make sense sorry again enlgish literature is not my strong suit.

The only people who think America has a coherent national identity are the ultra-conservative rednecks. And even among them there is a split with those who still believe in American Republicanism.

@3man75
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_zetas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Ndrangheta

there's an italian connection now...FUCK!
also they have territory in texas now too? can gangs share territory or
is this just a wiki problem?

But, but, what about beisball, pies, 4th of July with the stupid amount of little flags, and all the silly things I've seen on TV? Are you saying the TV lies?

La 'Ndrangheta is a Calabrian mafia....

Italian gangs have existed for hundreds of years before the Latin American ones.
And no, it's against the law for gangs to share territory.

@Yarpen because you won't be alerted by the quote.

Well, I won't go as far as to say that your TV doesn't blatantly lie to you, because it probably does, but I think there is a difference between having a national identity like that of a nation state such as France, Germany, or Japan, and being proud to be an American, and celebrating the Republic.