Veterans return medals during NATO protest

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by JosefVStalin, May 22, 2012.

  1. JosefVStalin El Presidente

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    I thought this was a fascinating story.

    For those of you who don't know what happened in this story the gist of it is that during the NATO Summit in Chicago yesterday to discuss the direction to take in Afghanistan there where several large protests. These protests included several NATO veterans who were awarded medals for their service in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and they symbolically returned them.

    Rather than get bogged down in the traditional arguments that surround this issue which we have had several times, I just want to get your gut feeling as to that. Should these men be praised for what they did, or are they being foolish?

    Personally I believe it's one of the purest acts of patriotism I have ever seen.
  2. Benerfe Well-Known Member

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    I saw this on RT some time ago.

    I think these men are doing the right thing, the youth of this Nation is tired and weary of wars, this might be dubbed the American Summer.. of occupy protests.
  3. Chives Newest Member

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    That was last summer.
    This summer people seem to be giving up on all of these wars and government stuff.

    I say who needs a congress?
    Look what they've proofed they can do.


    Ron Paul 2012
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    The only time congress does somthing is when there @$$ are on the line and when they play the blame game for example(Iam to lazy to look up the exact details) there is this bill that was to adress the dwindleing vacines for something and it took 14 months just even talk about and when a reporter asked John Boehner why it was taking so long on this process Boehner said why were is the executive branch(F***er the president all ready put his ok vote in WTF are @$$***** doing)(the reporter didn't say that) PS Chives avatar is METAL.
  5. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    I think it was one of the better thought out protests in Chicago. Now while I don't particularly agree with them, I can respect their decision, and think that they preformed a much more dramatic and effective protest then the rest of the vast hordes of college students with their heads up their asses.
  6. Chives Newest Member

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    Yeah, Chicago is best at everything really, those other stupid cities just don't realize it.

    East Chicago is even better.
    Worse crime and fewer jobs than even Detroit itself.
  7. Romulus211 Proconsul

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    Very courageous. I admire those soldiers, very dramatic though, but what protests aren't?
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    There speaking out aganist something they don't support and I respect them for it. In a way it kind of reminds me of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War during the Vietnam war.
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    Symbolical and powerful protest.
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  11. Achtung Kommunisten! Well-Known Member

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    Well you yankees love your soldiers so much (I can't still can't believe that woman on The Walking Dead episode I watched yesterday asked if 'vet' meant 'veteran' before 'veterinarian'), so it's good to see them take a stand; too often I think the people who hate them or the jerks who insist on calling all of them heroes speak for them. Of course talking isn't a soldier's strong point, so to give back medals is possibly the biggest protest they can make, short of giving back their unit patches.
  12. thelistener Well-Known Member

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    Most of the veterans just want better care and jobs, these guys are just special (also those medals are granted to everyone. So to me this means jack shit)

    but I agree this was one the better protest unlike those anarchist ones
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    Totes copying Vietnam protests...
  14. Shisno Doesn't know who did this

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    Why we are still in Afghanistan, I don't know.
  15. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    It was very patriotic and I highly admire these soldiers. We need out, we aren't helping anyone.
  16. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    While I'm totally against soldiers participating in politics at all, I think it was handled with enough tact to let slide. Though, honestly, I don't understand why your personal politics would have any bearing on whether or not you did something of merit for this country.
  17. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    They figured that what they did was shameful and they didn't deserve the medals. Or, rather, that's the message they were trying to give out. And why are you against soldiers playing a part in politics? As long as they don't disobey orders. They should have the same rights as any other American to protest if they disagree with American policy.
  18. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Well that just doesn't make sense. Our military is composed entirely of professionals. We don't conscript people. If you think carrying out your duty as a US soldier is shameful, you don't need to affiliate with the military at all. It's clear that they did it as a political stunt.
    As employees of the state, they're supposed to remain politically neutral when acting in their position. For the more security-related professions, you're supposed to maintain that neutrality even when you're not acting in your position. It's codified, though I don't recall the name of the law.
    Sure, and that's why this is something that constitutes acceptable protest. However, when you sign on as a government employee, your word carries more weight with respect to policy than most other people's do. There is a significant conflict of interests between your personal political views and your employment/employer. Now I'm probably the biggest advocate of free speech that you'll find, but when you make an agreement with your employer, and especially if your employer is the state, you need to honor it.
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  19. Chives Newest Member

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  20. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    To be fair it didn't look like any of these guys were still in the service, so they're allowed to do whatever they want with their lives. That said, I'll reiterate something @thelistener said... None of these guys were throwing away any merit based medals. Only one of the medals I saw the entire time was anything other then an automatically awarded metal for joining the service or deploying. A little different of a statement then when John Kerry was throwing away his bronze stars

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