Future of the United Kindgom

With a Scottish Referendumm for indepedence in 2014 what do you guys think is the future of the UK. Will the British Parliament bow to the wishes of Scotland if the vote calls for seperation. And if Scotland does become indepedent will this eventually lead to an indepedent Wales and united Ireland and an end to the UK. Just wanted to get everybody's opinion on the matter.

I dont think the british ll just stand there and bow to scotland, they never did why should they do it now?

They've got a referendum because the SNP have gotten plenty of votes in recent years and the establishment can't ignore them any more. However I've always gotten the impression from polls and a few scots I talk to that people only vote SNP because they're the only mainstream socialist alternative to Labour - not especially because they want independence. And as we well know, the urban areas of Scotland are redder than Moscow. The UK isn't going to disintegrate any time soon.

Not many people in Scotland really want independence, from what I've seen. I've never heard anyone asking for Welsh independence, its been a part of the United Kingdom for a long long time. Ireland is already almost free, except for Northern Ireland. Now Northern Ireland is the big deal, but I would not want to give them to Ireland. This is because many citizens of Northern Ireland fled religious persecution in Ireland itself, and are now still being attacked by the IRA and ULA, which are just a couple terrorist groups.

Firstly, yes the British government would give Scotland independence if that was the result of the referendum, we are far too nice, really.
However, I don't believe indepedence will be the outcome of the referendum.

Also, Wales physically could not survive on their own. It really is quite a poor place in European terms.
A quote from Wikipedia: "The think-tank Oxford Economics estimated that in 2006-07, tax revenues of £19.3bn were raised in Wales, compared to Government expenditure of £28.2bn - a fiscal gap of £9.1bn." There is a small indepenence movement in Wales, but mostly made up of fairly strange nationalists.

In regard to Northern Ireland, I think a small majority of the population are fervent loyalists (loyal to Britain) and all the rest are strongly in favour of a united Ireland. The whole thing is a bit of a mess, really, and with the state of the Irish economy, I cannot see NI being better off in a united Ireland.

I agree with most of what you said, but ULA? I've never heard of them. I just searched it, and I didn't find anything about them. Are they related to the UDA and UVF?

I don't know if they changed their name, but ULA used to be Ulster Liberation Front, which is a very violent Northern Irish offshoot of the IRA.

I can't see the referendum resulting in 'yes' simply because every other referendum we've had has resulted in a 'no' or a safe option; Gordon Brown convinced Tony Blair to wuss out on a referendum on the Euro, people were too blinded by hate of the Liberal Democrats to understand a need for electoral reform, and too against politicians to vote 'yes' for elected mayors. 'Cos unelected lord mayors are so much better. People voted in the Conservatives on a 'change' ticket, but it turns out they all hate the idea of any change. Which is just as well for the Conservatives.
If nothing else, people should vote to change things in referendums on the grounds that apart from recently, we never get any.

Most of all, I don't think people really want referendums, because then we only have ourselves to blame for the result, we can't blame it on our politicians.

When in doubt...blame someone else.

Not that I don't believe you, but do you have any links? I've never heard about the ULF before, only the ULA/UFF, which is the supporters of Unionism and with completely opposite goals from the IRA.

I REALLY need to stop reading alternate history. My bad, the ULF was in a Tom Clancy book, it didn't actually exist....wow I feel stupid. I think it was modeled after an IRA offshoot, but I really can't be sure.

In the same vein, has anyone ever heard of the INLA?

Don't worry, I went to a flipping museum about this stuff, and I still struggled to understand why people kept killing each other.

What I see as the problem is that the British kingdoms are so cool and unique to be all associated with England.

Yeah, its really fucking stupid.

England is the MOST unique

It's only you foreigners who refer to the whole island and a half that is the UK as 'England'.

That is the problem most people see Great Britain as just England.

Nope. Never heard of them.

I find it slightly amusing, but if I was Scottish or Welsh I'm sure it would anger me rather a lot. But then, statistically speaking, most of GB is England anyway

Irish National Liberation Army, they were violent until 1999, when they declared a ceasefire. Now they are a socialist political group that advocates for the return of Northern Ireland to the Irish. Its a model the PIRA, CIRA, and RIRA should strive to follow....