Russia, China renew opposition to foreign intervention in Syria

So how do you think this Syrian thing will go down? Do you think the UN will need to intervene or will the people overthrow Assad, or will Assad crush the rebels? what I hope happens is that UN invades even after russia and china decline and its world war 3 over Syria with Syria, Russia, China, and Iran vs. UN and the rebels(Iknow this wont happen, but a man can dream, can't he?)

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/06/world/meast/syria-unrest/index.html?hpt=imi_c1

Millions dead is such a great dream.

No way, I'm looking for straight up apocalypse

I support UN intervention, similar to that with Libya but with more force. There is no main leader of the rebels, so our main priority is to restore order. The rebels are, in some cases, just as bad as the Assad. We need to put down both an install a more stable government.

The way I see, is that if we (UN & US) get involved and overthrow Assad. We'll just replace his government with an even more incompetant government that is only proficient in brown-nosing and being corrupt.

Impossible to do without deploying ground troops. If the first and second gulf war is any indication we are talking about a ground force between 300000 and 1 million troops. The us-doctrine of prolonged engagements is verry much directed at completely overwhelming(technologicaly and numericaly) op-for. I don't think anyone in the us is ready for that.

The strategical situation in Syria is drasticly different then in Libya. In Libya we had two more or less organized forces oposing each other with a more or less defined frontline between them. Geographicly and geopoliticaly Syria is a whole other situation as well. The geography of Lybia was hughely in favor for the NATO air superiority.
Compared to Syria, Libya was a cakewalk! And it took a long time to bring down Ghadaffi.

No, half assed(no follow-up strategy) military action simmilar to Afganistan and Iraq has to be avoided at any cost.

I don't support the intervention, Libya is a complete mess, thanks to it.

And the Government is winning in Syria, if a full fledged intervention happened it would have no casus belli.

If the rebels request, we should make a deal and get in there.

Make a deal eh, THIS is why I am against the whole idea of IMPERIALISM.. I mean intervention.

Its shit like this, that the Western powers have to take on this "Humanitarian super hero stance", when they themselves have armed and propped up dictators in the same such as Mubarak and Ben Ali.

To think that a new regime with only a Western influence and not just plain old Syrian influence will be better?

For these Syrian and even those Rebels in Libya who called for support on a foreign power they are SELLING out their own country.

No, but in my opinion I would try to help them to benefit us by making a deal, perhaps a nice trade deal or something similar.

Fareed Zakaria wrote an excellent article on my opinion on why we shouldn't militarily intervene in Syria.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2116135-2,00.html
For those to lazy to read it, he pretty much says that we shouldn't intervene for a few key reasons. It is a third the size of Libya and thus no huge tracts of land for the rebels to retreat to to regroup and resupply. Also, Syria has 3 times the population than Libya in a country a tenth the size of Libya, and about half are in Damasacus and Aleppo, both controlled by the government. Also (as I have said many times before) the rebels lack the capapbility to unite behind one leadership. And there have been no majpr level dissensions in the military or government. And China and Russia support Syria.

'MURICA!

I think just imposing trade sanctions and cutting off trade with them would do. They are not really rich in resources and the regime will fall if they can't get much outside help.

I don't think we should be the stereotypical 'MURICA to all of the foreigners by intervening. So no intervention is not necessary.

It would also lead to more violence, the region will not stabilize while everyone is starving.

Actually, putting trade sanctions would be quite sucessful. Cuting off Syria's supply of many raw materials and resources and could cause the high level desertions in the military and government needed to turn the tide in favor of the rebels.

When you are a government trying to control your population you make sure your soldiers are the BEST fed people in the country. That's just basic strategy, this shit has been in practice since Rome or Sun Tzu. Unless of course the leader thinks his men fight because of his righteous ideology? HAH

I am thinking Russia and China are getting sweet deals from Assad's regime, like weaponry obviously.

Actually, they get money for giving Assad weapons.