Spain's economy is in the crapper as well

Speaking of socialism, @1Historygenius I know how you think Obamacare is socialists and all that jazz, but how do you explain the fact that Switzerland, the beacon of capitalism, has a similiar healthcare plan to Obamacare, that works wonderfully. Also, only most of western europe and Canada has universal healthcare. But obviously its because they are socialist and stupid, and even though America is one of the few major countries not to have universal healthcare, they are obviously all wrong and America has got it right.

"I wouldn't like to see Americans make the same mistake as Canadians....Patients in Canada are treated like Third World citizens. Our health-care system is like Cuba and North Korea." - Lindsay McCreith, Brain tumor patient, Canada

"There should be somewhere closer. No one with breast cancer should have to go on such a long journey, particularly when we are not feeling too good anyway." - Muriel Buckley, Breast cancer patient, UK

In Canada, the Fraser institute reported in December 2006 that Canadians wait an average of 17.8 weeks form general practitioners' referrals to treatment by a specialist. Most provinces have a website to calculate a patient's wait for breast cancer surgery in South West Ontario can be as little as 24 days and as long as 110 days. According to the Department of Health, over 51% of patients in the UK received hospital treatment within 18 weeks. 12% waited over a year.

Also, Switzerland and the Netherlands, have achieved universal health care coverage using private healthcare plans. Obama wants to put in a government-run system, which is bad. So in fact, Switzerland has a very different plan than Obama's. And yes, most of the world is wrong.

Oh, no, two patients criticizing their health-care systems!

Edit: Btw, Cuba has an excellent healthcare system, that woman has no clue about it.

There is more, but I cannot quote a large amount of both country's populations.

How can Spain have an unemployment of 50% and yet have the best soccer team in the world..quite problematic!

Fuck you Kali, also how are you doing today?

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~

Yes because our healthcare is equivalent to a third world country because you know you totally don't get cured and go into massive debt because of it. Our problems stem from a shortage of doctors.

Then adopt a system where you can use that shortage of doctors better (private healthcare plan). Look, not every nation needs a universal healthcare plan, and a the vast majority of Americans simply do not want it. The latest Real Clear Politics average shows 39.1% are in favor of Obamacare and 49.6% of it are opposed to it. That is over a 10% margin. Our country can sometimes have s shortage of doctors to you know. That is why we have a triage system.

I think the allocation of doctors and subsidies for the education of doctors can do much better and it is working. Wait times are going down as we get more medical staff in our hospitals. Why do you cry about Obamacare all it is is making you get health insurance. It's not public healthcare at all. If it was forcing you to buy health insurance or the government will provide it for you that would be a small step towards public healthcare which would be a step in the right direction. Why the hell you people are opposed to it, I have no idea. Here public healthcare has become part of the culture of Canada.

Yeah, private health care and Canada doesn't sound right.

Quebec tried to ban it at one point.

No he doesn't. Everything in his healthcare plan was centered on making private health insurance available to the greater public while dealing with the rise of medical costs by cracking down on those who can afford insurance but don't have it.
He has absolutely no plans for a mandatory universal plan. Stop making shit up.

But if he doesn't, then he will have no evidence.

I'm from the UK, and our healthcare system is excellent. It's suffered in recent years, but mostly due to government efforts to privatize areas of it and introduce comptetition. However in spite of that I have had very few problems with it, and it's still cheaper than US healthcare, because while we pay for it in tax, the average person during their lifetime uses up more healthcare in potential medical bills than they ever pay in tax.

So there. Now you have a quote from another British person who likes their healthcare system. Your argument is so fucking invalid, mate. Plus, I bet if you asked Muriel Buckley if she'd prefer a US style healthcare system she'd still say "Hell no."

Another of these discussions? Hurrah!
We know that full state controlled market does not work after some time. We know that full capitalistic economy doesn't work (well it does if you want an extremely elitist system). So I the answer should be mixed economy (hallelujah!) with the state having a monopoly on such things as healthcare, prisons and education and other things (use common sense on what is better without competition) whilst the rest of the market is completely free.

Maybe that's because there isn't a huge queue of people waiting to get in the US, because most people can't afford healthcare?

In most countries, the US is notorious for having the worst healthcare system in the world. People are literally put off going on holiday there because your healthcare system is so bad. Hell, if I were to ask a conservative here if they'd like a healthcare system like America's, they'd look at me with disgust.

I can vouch for that. In fact some years ago my parents were considering moving to America, but decided not to simply because of the healthcare system. I think they're trying to move to Canada instead now. I'm considering going with them as well once I've graduated.

Seriously the US healthcare system is right up there with the bogeyman in terms of things we tell our kids about to scare them.

Congratz, two people.

At least everyone there HAS healthcare.

How about we bring some Canadians and British people in here like @JosefVStalin , @BattalionOfRed and @Unillogical to see how they think of a foreigner telling them their healthcare systems are horrible.

Wow if that wasn't a stereotypical American statement, then I have no idea what is.