Bloomberg's Soda Ban...

But if only 16oz cups are allowed, then where will homeless people take their shits?

I remember a news article on it. Apparently a week before proposing it he had attended the city's official/unofficial doughnut day and he has been pushing to decriminalize marijuana in small amounts. So in his ideal city, you could scarf down a dozen fatty doughnuts then get high on a nice blunt, but if you try to wash it down with a 16 ounce soda THEN it's "unhealthy".

this whole ban is stupid because he made it that if you sell a 16 ounce soda you get a 200 dollar fine but if your caught with an ounce of weed then you only get a 100 dollar fine doesn't anyone else see a problem with that?

Obesity is a large problem in society, and more widespread than weed.

yes that is true but don't you see something wrong with his logic?

The mayor wants to help the good of the people, he wants to fight obesity!

But is there any actual proof that cups larger than 16oz are the main cause of obesity. Furthermore, I am pretty sure you have to be pretty self conscious about what you are doing when you buy any sort of soda. When someone buys a cup larger than 16oz, they know that, and they understand the risks.

i doubt that soda is the main cause of obesity I can almost guarantee you that fast food is more responsible than soda to fight obesity

I'm pretty sure you don't get to be 300 pounds from drinking too much soda. And besides, why should anyone care if someone chooses to get fat? They can stop at any time they want. It's just pointlessly regulating free choice.

In the UK, obesity costs the NHS £4 billion a year, and expected to rise to £6.3 billion in four years.
New ambulances are having to be build in order to carry some peoples weight, costing hundreds of millions more pounds.
When someone gets too fat, they cannot and will not ever work. They will continue to be a drain on society for their entire lives, costing the taxpayer tens of thousands of pounds.
That is unsustainable, and surely trying to fight it is the right thing to do.

Also, I agree 16oz fizzy drinks don't cause obesity on their own, but it is one important step on fighting a culture of over-eating and drinking in the US, and to a lesser extent in much of the rest of the world. Each time people are encouraged to consume with moderation, and I believe the law can be an important tool in this, we are one step closer to a healthier world.


Again, I would prefer people to have free will with what they eat and drink, but if people get to the stage of actually killing themselves through over eating, then they clearly are not capable of looking after themselves, which is where the state has to help by encouraging moderation.

@mattbenz99
In some ways yes, I do. But then the fines are relative to how each is harming society, in a way.

Well a system that takes away a person's rights/privileges to decide for themselves because it's unsustainable for the system clearly is a flawed system(we have even more of this shit in Denmark than in the UK) that needs to change so people should, to a larger extent, take, understand and accept the consequences of their actions. Don't misunderstand me I'm still in favour of universal health care, but these people that continues to eat extremely unhealthy, smoke, not exercise etc. needs to take the consequences, and thus the costs or at least part of the costs, of their actions.
There's also the fact that people who are fat can and do work...

Yes I agree in some ways, but if we charged people who overeat/smoke etc. for their healthcare, they would end up dieing pretty horrible deaths with no-one to look after them.
That's when I thinks it's better to force them to be healthy than let them die. (Although this wouldn't be large numbers of people)

Also neither of our governments would ever pass a law taking away anyones healthcare, however expensive it is, and I'm fairly sure you know that.

The problem is that some people are too stupid to look after themselves, even if they understand the concequences.


I will say, however, there are some things I would change. Currently, if you get ridiculously drunk, the NHS will pick you up off the street and give you a stomach pump to save your life. That should not be free.

Of course people shouldn't die because they couldn't pay for an operation, and the first one would be free. It's only if they refuse to change their lifestyle that they would have to pay a certain amount of the costs and I even think the state should help them get over their addiction/problem if the person wanted it though you should also be able to do it on your own if that's what you want.
The state would of course have to find out whether a person could afford an operation or medicine.

Well I disagree with that since the government we had in the period 2001-2011 favoured private hospitals over public ones. Sometimes governments have to take decisions that are unpopular, and they do it if they are responsible and sensible. I don't really want to talk about this here, so you don't have to respond.

They don't have to "look after themselves," they can join a government programme if they don't have to willpower to do it on their own. I also disagree with the stupid thing, but that doesn't really belong in this debate since it's about your view on humanity.

No it shouldn't, but then again, there is of course a price to pay when you see your parents

I assume and is true, that a lot Americans drink soda on a daily bases, and soda is unhealthy, why can't people drink water instead or a smoothie?

Why can't a grown man make choices for himself without being told what to do by communists like you? It's a fuckin mystery.

I hate communism, I support free choice and that good stuff, but I am against Soda being a daily thing I only drink soda once in a while. I usually drink water, anyway soda is unhealthy for you.

Bullshit. You're clearly the biggest communist on this site, your overt hatred for individual will is clear as day.

You obviously don't. Not only are you a communist, you're also a dirty liar with no sense of shame.

You know, your a douche thinking I love communism, I hate it to most extreme, my family suffer from it and you dare say I support it......fuck you. I hate individuals when they want me dead, so I am guessing you want my family to die or something?

I never said anything of the sort. Which means this is simply a thought that dwells in the deep of your subconscious mind, manifesting itself only in times of sever emotional rage. Why do you secretly want to murder your family Tran?

Ah. I see where you draw the inspiration for your plot secret to murder your family from.

I don't I would die for my family, people who state that I am communist can fuck themselves, I am saying that banning soda is not a Communism thing, more like an libertarian or authoritarian stance.