Crossing the River

I am sure most everyone is aware of Mexico and US relations. Mostly concerning Mexico staying on their side of the fence.

In America, I often see many stereotypes of Mexican peoples floating around. Stereotypes exist for black and Asian people as well... but its easier to get away with stereotyping Mexicans. I am sure some of you may think I am offended, being Mexican myself. Truth be told, not really.

I have been all over Mexico. I have seen quite a bit of Mexico. Are they all terrorists? No! Not what the extreme right would have you believe, anyways. Here are a few facts that are quite common involving Mexicans in Mexico taking advantage of the Americans in America.

Lets start off with this funfact. Do you like cars? Do you like sexy cars?! Do you want to pay only one payment on them and then not pay the rest forever?! Sounds like a fun plan, right? Well, no. It will get repossessed if you do that, it being illegal and all. Then why bring it up? Because Mexicans in Mexico come to America, pay one payment... and then go back to Mexico and stop paying, because you'll find it difficult to enforce your policies across a border.

Mexicans 1 - Americans 0

How about pot? I know, completely overrated and everyone in high school does it because they think its cool. Its nonaddictive, right? Of course it is! However, Mexican cartels sell that stuff by the bushel... if pot does indeed come in bushels. >.>

Ignoring that, Columbia's cartels made bank off the highly addictive cocaine. Key words, highly addictive. You can also OD, which makes it extra charming. How does Mexico make more profit with something less harmless and addictive?

Because stoners are fucking stupid. Your going to pay that much for something illegal while continuing to support that it should be legal, and therefore, indirectly supporting merciless Mexican cartels? If you want to smoke it soooo badly, just support it with some clean urine and smoke it after it becomes legal (which isn't that far away). If all you stoners stopped smoking, the cartels would suffer, making it more easier to negotiate legalizing pot when there isn't an armed gang trying to sell the stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I support the legalization of pot, but I am smart enough not to smoke it (and wouldn't even if they do legalize it because I am better than that).

Mexicans 2 - Americans 0

Ever get your identity stolen? Me neither, but it is quite common. Where people in Nigeria try to outsmart you, Mexicans just steal your identity. Chalking another one up.

Mexicans 3 - Americans 0

Now, lets brag about our police force. They are actually... not as bad as you think. They do have ticket quotas to fulfill (which I personally believe affects their overall performance) but they are pretty good as a whole. I know, some of you don't like them, have this to say, have that to say, but whenever the shit hits the fan, you go to a cop.

What am I trying to say?

Simple. If there is a hostage situation, the cops can handle it well enough on their own with SWAT teams and what have you.

However...

SWAT is NOTHING compared to the US military. This nation's military has amazing training that puts most street cops' training to shame.

What am I saying here?

I am saying that Mexican cartels send their guys to America and join the US military to get THEIR training. Therefore, you have druglords with expert footsoldiers who would win a war against our police.

Mexicans 4 - America 0

Now, I am done with the cartels. Lets talk about this. Healthcare.

It is a big issue here in America. Canada has it and it seems alright there. Personally, I don't think I have much of an opinion concerning it rather than this.

Free education in college is far more important. Along with more funding in schools.

Now, Mexico has something similar. This I know for a fact because I considered going to Mexico City for schooling. Unfortunately, I decided not to. Sad face.

I am sure healthcare is fine and dandy, but if your redneck cousin Elroy knew what gravity was before jumping off that roof, maybe he wouldn't have that medical fine. Just saying... In addition, it will help if someone had the proper training to have a job to pay for said medical bills themselves.

Just saying.

Mexicans 5 - Americans 0

Mexican food is amazing, even those greasy taco trucks (though food in Mexico is the best hands down).

Mexicans 6 - Americans 0

Now... I am sure most of you are thinking "Why do all these Mexicans crossover to America then?" or have just stopped reading. Here is why.

Mexico is corrupt. Mexico has a poor economy. Mexico is in a drug war they can't finance (which affects the US as well). Mexico is a difficult place to live in. Last Christmas I spent there (conveniently, my mom was born in a city where one of the largest cartels called home) there was a gunfight between the federalis and the cartel.

Dafuq.

Even WWI had a truce on Christmas.

That is four points to give to Americans. Not because of America itself but because Mexico is tough as shit to be in.

Mexicans 6 - Americans 4

Those points should barely count, however. Corruption can be cut with a bayonet here in the States. America's economy is on a rollercoaster. The drug war exists because it feeds off of the US. The US lingers because there is a political civil war. No guns (yet) but it is a tough fight between two peoples.

The US isn't much better than Mexico, as much as I wish it to be. However... the luster remains, at least for the desperate, the hungry, and the poor.

Why is it that we have this luster and feed off of it with greed in our hearts? We have all these problems that should be solved, but we keep these problems simply to disagree with eachother.

And don't think this is the right's fault because the left is part of it too.

For some reason, the Democrats believe they own minorities. The Jim Crow laws were passed by Democrats. Hilary Clinton, when she was running for the Democratic primary, had a Mexican child go up to her dressed in Mariachi garb to hand her a flower... to appeal to Latino voters.

This offended me. Not only are you stereotyping a people but you are doing so with a child.

I'm glad Obama is president instead of her, Hilary Clinton is a prick.

*cough* Apologies, one of the few things that will get to me. I am not sure how to end this thread, I know quite a few people will respond quite negatively but thats alright. Its expected. As long as they don't say one thing and do another, it won't bother me one bit.

Just remember that when you see an illegal immigrant, don't view him as a criminal but a refugee.

Edit: Making clear some things.

To sum it up,

Viva México! They are awesome.

Well according to the Foreign Affairs Canada most of Mexico dangerous except for Mexico City.

Hey so when are the Mexican elections again, or did they already happen?

I fail to see a purpose to this thread. The entire purpose is to show that Mexicans can bash Americans just as well as Americans. Which is retarded. How is this a Political/Current Event? The answer is that it isn't. How is this even allowed to be put on the forums. The quality of recent topics in the Coffee House has fallen to such lows that I am quite appalled. All in all, fuck you and your retarded topic thing.

At least this thread has the potential to derail into one about how to solve the current situation in Mexico, or the Mexican elections itself. Though all in all its a pretty useless post.

So because Mexicos army is better then street police that gives them a point? I dont know any army that isnt better trained then police or maybe i just did'nt read it because I lost all the shits i gave at about that point. sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeah.

So what is your opinion on the US immigration policy Ozan? I think it is too complicated for the average immigrant and it forces Mexicans to use illegal immigration.

Allow me to answer the entirety of the threads questions.

True enough, I suppose, but just keep in mind that generally speaking it is just overhyped nonsense. Just to be safe, wait until the deal with the cartels cools down and they care less about making a message. Mexico is quite underdeveloped.

They have elections every 6 years. Just like America, they get celebrities to sponsor them and stuff. Usually Mexican wrestlers.

Actually you have a pretty good point, but there is a purpose. I may not have explained myself well enough which I blame my ADD thoroughly.

The entire purpose is to point out that Mexico has a lot of good qualities yet still sucks. People leave it for what it is for a reason. I want to bring to attention that the illegal immigration problem stems from their nation as a whole. The US personally feels like its headed down the same road.

I love the United States and I love quite a bit in it with a personal soft spot for country folk (myself being raised in the country but never grasping the concept [Yes, California has country, 35 out of 42 counties are red counties]). It appears I am bashing the US in the name of Mexico when in reality, I am just bashing the US and the tendency for there to be a lot of bitching and no real work done.

Fuck, I didn't make myself clear. ><

Again, ADD. Mexican footsoldiers would join the AMERICAN military. They would serve tours as part of the US armed forces. I've seen the Mexican army. Its cheap, out of date, and has nothing better to do but drive down streets on jeeps.

Edit: @TheKoreanPoet Let me say this about illegal immigration. Because of the fear of foreigners on the early 1900's, it has become much harder to enter this nation despite where you are from. If people from Sudan lived in Mexico for some reason and Mexico was actually a pacific island group, then Sudan would have quite a few illegal immigrants as well.

If Canada was copied and pasted onto where Mexico is, replacing them, it wouldn't be so bad. So essentially, they are refugees who take the chance to be here. They are refugees and the only way to stop them is to make it easier to become an immigrant or bring Mexico into the Union.

"Bring Mexico into the Union." What? Manifest Destiny is an outdated doctrine that would serve no worth in modern times. But besides the point. It would be much easier to make the immigration process easier so that illegal immigration becomes less of a problem. If an average American citizen can't do the immigration test, how can an immigrant who knows nothing about our country become one. Going to your local library isn't enough.

Exactly. There are a whole bunch of silly excuses as to why Mexicans should stay in Mexico.

As for my comment concerning the union, think about it. Mexico has a bunch of untapped resources that they can't afford to develop. In addition, the illegal immigrants working for less would literally not be 'stealing' American jobs if they are American in the first place. If you want to solve the drug problem, its a lot easier when you don't have to cross a border. There aren't many cons, I promise you this much.

Annexing is a bit extreme, I admit, so I didn't say it. So, a union between the US and Mexico would be more like a company merger where a smaller company becomes part of a larger company and the profits from said company will be fueled by the larger to benefit them all. Maybe less cartoony than I imagine it, but it can work. In addition, the US would have the pyramids and we can get prestige points for having a world wonder or something, like most RTS games like to focus on. Or something like that.

Going on with the union thing. Mexico would never have a union with America. Mexicans have too much cultural pride to do that. Sure they have a lot of untapped resources, but that doesn't warrant a war with them. A war over resources is the worst kind of war and the worst reason to go to war. They just need investments to develop those resources.

You and this war thing. If it didn't concern Mexico, I would call you a fine young chap. However, it does.

Worst part is, I agree with you, hence my refrencing the cartoony belief. Mexican culture is a strong culture and I can go on a healthy rant about how Spanish peoples affected the world. However, it is one of the better ideas for solving all the problems stemming from Mexico. If the US focused some aid to Mexico instead of Hurkjadurkja, Afrika then maybe the US would benefit too. If you want to help your fellow man, do it. Just don't drive across town to deliver blankets when your neighbor needs help too.

I also agree with you that the US needs to aid Mexico. But we got a little off topic. Let's get back onto the immigration policy. What is your opinion of the wall on the border.

For a good number of my points concerning Mexicans v Americans, generally the Mexican outsmarts the American with policies by Americans and for Americans. If they build a wall, the Mexicans will overcome the wall by going around it by sea, under it by digging (at least the cartel would do this), over it with a ladder, or even through it with a large enough van. If the Great Friggin Wall of China couldn't keep out the Mongols, what makes people think the Mediocre Wall of America will keep out Mexicans?

Edit: Clarifying.

I don't know what the site is called so I'm gonna tag @CoExIsTeNcE to link you to it, but if you haven't noticed, democrats used to be modern day republicans and the republican party was the equivalent to the modern day democrats. It's switched back and forth over the years.




Also, @Romulus211

Who do you support this coming election?

What the hell is this thread supposed to be about?

How does that give Mexico a point over America to me that seems like it should be a point for the US since people from other nations come and joined their armed forces

The reason they Mexicans get the point is because the cartels have their guys join the military simply for advanced training. After their service, they go back to the cartels so they are better trained than the federalis and the US Border Patrol. They exploit the US military to gain the upper hand against both Mexican and American police forces.

To answer other questions, this is actually about how US policy is far too neutral with the current policies and border agendas being exploited by Mexicans along with how some Mexican policies outdo American happenings,like free college education.

I know Democrats and Republicans practically switched sides, but a lot of current day Democrats are still racist along with their entire party thinking they own minorities. Democrats disappoint me. However, I loathe Romney. So, I am undecided. I think I will write in Liam Neeson.