Ernesto "Che" Guevara

what is your opinion on the man and the legend.

I feel he is overrated at best. I am sure he fought for a cause that he thought was just, but he was quite into himself. If he didn't die in a revolution, I promise you nobody in today's world would care if he existed or not.

If Napoleon never rose above the rank of artillery commander, I promise nobody in today's world would care if he existed or not.

I love how every group in the world tries to clam that Che was a follower of their ideology, I've heard Maoist, Trotskyist, Council-communist, orthodox Marxist, and even good old Marxist-Leninist try to claim that he was apart of their ideology.

So remember no matter what branch of communism you are, Che was a member.

But he wasnt an artillery commander, he was basically Fidels number two, and was already famous by the end of the Cuban revolution. If he were to stay in Cuba he would still be commandante of the army and minster of industry and leader of the first national bank. People would still remember him thats why everyone was so broken hearted in Cuba when he died.Thats why his killers shot him in the chest so they could take pictures of his face.

Ugh. I was just trying to show how stupid Ozan's argument sounded. I understand what you are saying.

Better to be remembered in a hail of gunfire then behind a desk. -Francisco Arango.

How many people run around with Fidel Castro shirts in today's world? Not many. How many people have Che shirts? A whole bunch.

There is a reason.

oh sorry for going off on you xD

Che's life is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom. We will always honor his memory.-Nelson Mandela. That might have something to do with it

The world may never know.

Then why make the argument that if he didnt die then nobody would know who he was?

Reference from tootsie pop commercials.

You are bad at catching this stuff.

Chef Legel left the forums back in august, why is this still an issue?

He never left. He was banned.

Despite being oh so famous, let us be honest. He never led his own successful revolution.

I dont even know what day it is

I want to read the new book of his quotations called Apuntes filosófico.

Let me ask you this. If you go up to a random person on the street and ask about Polpot, they probably won't know who he is. Che, however, had the good fortune of dying for a cause he believed in in the country he loved.

The only reason we remember Fidel is because the Russians wanted to use Cuba for missiles. History has a strange way of making people disappear to near obscurity.

Lets make a comparison. Pancho Villa or Vicente Guerrero. Who will more people recognized?

I would like a source showing how Che was quite into himself, of all the modern day "icons" of Socialism or Communism (loosely defined) Che was the most humble, showing no leanings toward the cult of personality that surround Stalin and the Kimfapper dynasty. Che may not have accomplished anything on the scale of other people who had similar ideas, but he did nearly impossible things with very, very little to back him, financially or in the way of an army of comrades. I am pretty sure many people in "today's" world would care that he existed. Are you aware of any of the things he accomplished in his time in South America or Africa? I really don't think you are. The man was a true visionary. He is not idolized through propaganda. Che is the most "real" revolutionary and the most relatable to most modern comrades (for lack of a better word). To imply he was egotistical and self-indulgent is completely asinine and insulting. Especially to true revolutionaries who know the little things that he did, completely ignoring the major events surrounding him. Read a fucking book.

This may be the closest to the truth that you're going to get with that type of all-encompassing statement. I would say there are exceptions, though.

Do you know the reason? Do you even know how that photo came to be? The story behind it? Not to mention every Socialist-inspired movement has their propaganda. I absolutely would never wear a Che shirt as I find them completely opposed to communist ideals, but really, that photo of him was taken in 1960. It still lives today and that is monumental to our movement. So, please, tell me your reason.

Oh, boy. First, you need to define "revolution" what does it mean in your terms? Was he a Mao or a Lenin, no, not quite. But to say he never lead anything related to a revolution or upheaval is absurd. Do you know nothing of Cuba? Of Argentina? The Congo. You are so far off the mark here it is laughable. I know you probably aren't well-versed in this but there's a reason he's a hero to this day, and it's not because he was a martyr.

I was simply stating that of the revolutions he did lead in South America and Africa, to my limited knowledge, he didn't succeed in any. But yes, he is still an icon to be remembered. I just read up on him, and he should be remembered as a hero.