Witnessing an assault and doing nothing.

This is different then Soviet strelty's case. In this situation I'd say you were not guilty because there was really nothing you or that girl could do to stop them(you were outnumbered and the guys were probably a lot stronger them you, unless you are a master in some martial arts or have gun, not really much you could do). I suppose you could have called the cops, but you were in foreign country and by the time the cops got there those guys would have been gone.

The trip was pretty fucked up in that sense. We went to some pretty sad places and it didn't really give us a nice impression of the country. I got a pretty sweet picture of me doing a back flip of the Berlin wall though.

Was that really point of the trip really to show how evil the Nazis were? why?

That sounds pretty badass.

They called it " a vaccine against Nazism". We are pretty strict on that shit over here. The trip is arranged by a grupe that calls themselves "the white buses" after an operation to get Norwegians, Swedes and Danes out of concentration camps. Some parts of the trip was nice. Sure i didn't exactly enjoy going to the first concentration camp but it was a meaningful and good experience to have. We had a little ceremony to hounour the people who died their. The thing is that they over did it, we went to three diffrent concentration camps after that. Got told a bunch of horrible stories as well as watched some gruesome videos. Later the trip focused more on the cold war and the Stazi police witch was a nice change but still rather grim as we talked to some of the stazies torture victims and got to see the stazi jail. Then we had a day to just explore the city.

Wow, never realized how serious you guys were about that. Is there a large neo-nazi party in Norway or something?

Not really. There are a few but they mainly keep a pretty low profile as we have plenty of anti Nazi groups that actively target Nazi groups. We have different laws than you guys when it comes to Nazis, we are almost as strict as the current German government and our school system makes dammed sure we know how bad Nazis are.

I never new you guys took that so seriously. I knew the Germans take this stuff very seriously but I figured it was just them.

@Spartacus

Sadly you miss my and other's points several times. I have seen allot of crime in my life and generally have ignored it for the good of everyone for the simple fact that I was in no position to do anything to make the situation any better, i understand you're point that you should help if you can, but in the majority of cases, all you can do is start a panic, wich is the last thing you want to do.

But yeah i only witnessed minor crimes, no rape or murder or anything, maybe then i'd do something, but in a mugging incident best thing to do for everyone is back off and let the guy have the money/phone/purse.

PS. most countries wich were invaded and used for shipping out and killing innocent's generally don't like that kind of stuff, but ignorance prevails!

How would standing up to a mugger cause a panic?

I disagree entirely, and I bet the person getting mugged would too.

???

Sir, you are relating the act of criminal violence to a man lieing on the street. There is no logical reason to not help him.

Sir, instead of restating the same words over and over again in the vain attempt to make yourself look larger and make me look like a frightened school-child. You find some actual vocal weaponary. Your noblity, is only large on the internet and in your words. You are no better than a small dog that does not know force but repetitve and noisy barking. You are as vain and self-centered as you make me out to be as you verbally berate me for something you think you could do.

And we didn't. We weighted out the possible outcomes, and decided it would be best to not risk a greater price for a common purse. All that I ask of you is that you cease your idealistically inspired beratement of myself for what you view as unjust due to your inexperience with the way humanity actually works. This isn't GTA IV were if you take a knife (fist, bullet,ect.) to chest, you just grunt and lose a smidge of health.

Of course you would, of course you would. We all would won't we? I mean, my 9 year old brother may say he could stop a mugging. But actually doing it is different. I see how it was self-centered, but sir, you are not far from the title you branded upon me with this pretense that you would've done so much better than I in that situation. You are talking out of your over-confidence and naivety, while not actually willing to consider the consquences of your potential actions. You do not even take the time to consider, how desperate the criminal might be for that purse. And that someone might get killed or seriously injured, instead you continue to fortify yourself with the thoughts that you could and would do something.

I know, that expecting you to actually think about the potentials of the loss of human life and worthlessness of the gain self-image was ridiculous of me. And that expecting you to value the process of reasoning more than you apparently in favor of brashness and the idea that you could. Your condescension will get you no where, nor will this houlier-than-thou attitude.

You do not understand, that believeing that you can do something. Is different from actually doing something. Again, assuming that you do find that someone is about to be raped (This isn't prison, your average raper isn't going to go around without a weapon) and or murdered. Playing the hero will more than differently get you killed and our severely injured. Indeed, you would withdraw and call the cops. But you are idealistic in the fact that you expect criminals to be spineless and cowardly. You do not seem to understand that the factor of their desperation (insanity, cruelity, ect.) is also present. A desperate man will not care if his dagger ends up in your body, so long as he gets what he is desperate for. Yet you ignore the reality of humanity in favor of your woulds and coulds

The usage of the term coward is becoming dull and weightless at this point. Insult me all you will, for your arguement has revolved around little more than over-confident assumptions fo yourself. You are pompous in the sense that you contiune to maintain this sense that you are somehow better than me because you think you could do better because you think you could. You make this assumption that you are constantly capable of stopping the criminal in question by extremely simple means and that he is frightened by your actions. I would also appreicate you being less belligerent, I will not respond again to such verbal provocation and insultment.

We did not make the discision by means of the profit motive, we made the discision based on that fact that we have much more to lose than a woman's purse. Something still that you fail to understand.

Well sir, wish misgivings upon me if you will. Your "moral high-ground" is apparently defending by nothing more than cross-words and insults. All of which I have no interest in nor do I even care for.

I wish they did this in England.

Not really. If anything you're merely ignoring the fact that you should be helping in every way possible to stop criminal activity.

You're a piece of shit.

In most situations, yes, you were. Like Soviet Streltsy, you're a coward and you're attempting to justify your own cowardice, the worst form of coward.

And yet you don't accept it because you've built up a layer of false pretenses to justify your own actions. You've barricaded yourself into a false line of thinking and refuse to even sample other concepts.

There's already a panic.

Your justification for not helping is that you might start something that is already there?
This is complete nonsense.

And did nothing. Coward.

Maybe there's hope for you yet then.

Are you part French or something?

I assume you're referring largely to the Holocaust and Nazis removing Jews and other refugees from conquered nations and taking them back to Germany for execution. If you ask me, that was one of the biggest acts of weakness any nation has ever undertaken. They should've choked the streets with their dead before they surrendered.

i dint red rico sent me u 13 to mcuh cant do this evey time psot

@Mobmaster

I urge you to not even dignify I responce to naive, over-confident braggart. You are attempting to convince a person who has already found his salvation and does not care for anything else. He will hold onto his position with nothing more than a mixture of insults and by ignoring the reality of humanity in favor of his own version of unthoughout presumption. He has proven that he doesn't care for anything but his blissful assumptions and that his houlier-than-thou attitude will not be leaving. Contiune with this blindman if you will, but nothing more than insult and stonewalls well come out of it.

Why, you've put the quality if your clothing at risk. It'll get all matted with blood and shit man. I personally would just ignore it and prevent the situation from escalating.

I've merely said the same thing over and over again because it's true every time.

What are you talking about? This isn't a war zone of words. This is me telling you how weak of a person you are.

I'm not joking. You're legitimately a coward for not helping that woman and should be beating yourself up inside every day for the rest of your life for it.

Show me a mugging on the streets and I'll intervene to the best of my ability while you piss yourself and run away.

Not really. How is it self-centered to be helping other people?

More properly, know I would do.

No, you fucking pissed yourself.

Let us compare the stories here:

My story: You pissed yourself and ran away with your family who were perfectly able to save the day.
Your story: You sat there, had an intense debate of reason with your family and weighed the pros and cons, figured you were disinterested in helping, and walked away.

I really don't think your story is likely at all.

You would've risked nothing.

Criminals are unpredictable: yes or no?
Muggers carry knives: yes or no?
Muggers can panic if gotten into trouble: yes or no?
A mugger in panick could just stab and run: yes or no?

The answer to the first two is a definite undeniable yes, the third and fourth I believe to be correct too. This why I do not intervene, because of risk calculation, the upside is minimal (retaining a purse) the downside is maximal (human life), I am not fearing for my own life here, because the distance between me and the incident is probably too much to get me into direct danger, but I endanger some-one else's life.

Besides I'm all for going to the police etc.

Also at the time i saw allot of crime i was 6-13 in a bad neighbourhood, so fuck you too, i'd like to see you get beat the fuck up for no reason everyday xD.

@Karakoran

After reading your entire arguement, which has changed little to none from your original one other than a massive quantity increase. I'm not going to dignify a responce to it. Unless you fix the quotation nightmare and actually put some time in actually making an arguement worth responding to, I will consider your arguement all ready responded to. Thus far you've managed to behave not as a 14 year-old debater, but as a naive 12 year-old idealist who can't handle being argued against as he routinely insults and taunts his opponent.

What, with a good 1/4 of your arguement containing nothing more than un-inspired and weak insults. With another 1/4 of it being naive presumption and bragging that is toned in the way a small child believes the world works with heros and villians. The remaining 1/2 being nothing more the same idealistic rhetoric and arguement you had complied in your last arguement which was rather weak in my opinion then. Even more so now.

Your argument has not changed either. Maybe it's just the values I hold, but to me helping out someone in trouble is more important then the me not taking a risk because I may get hurt.I can't respect anyone who would just watch someone else get robbed(or raped or whatever) because they don't want to risked themselves, it's selfish and shows a complete lack of empathy for your fellow man.

Are you legitimately complaining that I've been consistent this whole time?

Arguments tend to do that. Welcome to the Coffee House.

Because you're wrong.

That's how things work ever since Kali introduced breaking up arguments. It's not a new concept.

And you complain to me about insults? Give me a break.
I did give you one. And you responded, and then I responded to it. And now you can't even bare to accept that you're wrong so you're senselessly insulting my argument. It's quite simple.

Basically your response is that pissing yourself was ok because it was "logical" to let an innocent person get harmed.

Was this something I was supposed to strive for?

Apparently helping out other people in need is idealism. Sorry, I wasn't informed.

I could perfectly well argue against you without insulting you. But I'd rather not. It's important for you to know how much of a coward you were and still are.

I think it's more than that.

They are inspired, by your weakness.

I prefer statement of facts.

Did you even read my post? I feel like you did not.

Falling back on insults again Streltsy?

Don't pull that shades of gray bullshit Streltsy. Everyone has heard that "there is no absolute right or wrong" line a million times over and no one fucking gives a shit about it.

Sometimes there is a right and a wrong and both are clear. You were wrong that day. It's as simple as that.

Not really. Again, you seem to have failed to read my post.

My arguments have remained true and consistent since the beginning.
They are as follows:

You are a spineless coward, as is anyone who would actually follow your opinion.
Any human being worth their shit would help someone being mugged.
It is irrational to believe that the reasonable thing to do is let innocent people get harmed.