Assange looks for asylum in Ecuador

No it didn't strike me as that at all. And I have never seen or heard a hipster in my life so I have no idea what they act like and I doubt Kali has ample experience with hipsters either.

I've neither seen a hipster, but for what I have read in the Interwebz they seem annoying.

I sincerely apologize for bringing up hipsters.

No that was Kali, and I think everyones sick of him using the word so much. And this thread was being derailed to merica vs. yuros and who started the cold war.

You're putting me into a position I don't like. I'd rather not be portrayed as the hero who stood up to Kali and his use of the word hipster. I just don't like the word, it wasn't really worth a post. He had plenty of good points besides that and that's what deserves focus.

It's hip to say hipster. Haaaa good joke.

Bastard.

No, I wasn't trying to put you in that position. I mean, you're usually one of Kali's lapdogs.

Just Kidding!

It's not as bad as you think.

What is hipsterism that is the fundamental important question of the decade?

The definition of hipster: @Kali

Jup, thats pretty much exactly what i mean, but it wasnt just the arms race, the threat of communism expanding (the world revolution) was also made up, because the USSR abandoned this plan, andnstarted the plan of developing communism in their nation. China however still kept to the old idea for a long time wich lead to a split between russia and china, so china was a threat maybe, but the USSR simply wasn't.

There is big problem with that article. It claims the cold war started under Eisenhower's watch, which is simply false. Ever hear of the Korean war? Or the fact that even before WW2 was over, there was lot a friction between Russia and the rest of allies over what should be done with the post war world? The biggest factor for the start of the Cold War was really the invention atomic bomb(there were other smaller reasons to). The Soviets rushed to get their own in fear that we would use them, and from there it was a constant competition between the two superpowers until the Soviets fell.

Oh you mean their nation made up of all there newly acquired "allies" that they "Liberated" from the Germans(aka installed puppet regimes and basically annexed them)? Yea it was defiantly unjustified for the evil Americans to get upset over that.

So Russia backing the North Koreans was not an attempt at spreading communism? The refusal of the Marshall Plan and the Development of the the Molotov Plan, The Berlin Blockade etc. There were always tensions between between the US and Soviet Union.

I'm not claiming that the US is not responsible at all for the Cold War(as you seem to think since you called me brainwashed for disagreeing with you), I'm actually arguing that it was both the USA and the USSR, both sides are responsible.

I completely agree with you except for this part. Yes, it was unjustified for the Americans to get upset over it. The Soviets sacrificed millions of men and ravaged half their country to gain those lands, they were completely justified in puppeting them. Are you really going to argue the FRG wasn't a puppet of America? England were our best buds, and whatever we did they usually played along and as far as I know almost never contradicted America. France, well the French took credit and glory from other people's victories as usual and were absolutely arrogant. Greece and Italy went along with out every move, etc.

We did the same thing. So yes, it WAS definitely unjustified for us to get upset over the Soviets puppeting the eastern European nations that they fought so hard to liberate, and yes I do mean liberate. I'd rather live under the Soviets than under the Nazis. At least the Soviets won't murder me for something I was born with.

Fair point, but we did not make them puppets to anywhere near the same extent that the Russians did. We did not effectively make them into our states or provinces like the Russians did. We had tons of influence politically, but we could not hand out edicts and pass laws in those countries. We could not decide their school curriculum, or arrest people for protesting against us. They may have been our puppets to a certain extent(which I think had a lot to do with the collective feeling of unease towards the soviets that a large part of Western Europe had), but you can not say it was anywhere near to the same near the same level that the soviets had in say Poland or east Germany.

True, but this was just how the Soviets chose to rule their newly conquered provinces. We're democratic, so we ere obviously prepared to give our puppets at least some degree of autonomy. But the Soviets were extremely authoritarian, do you expect anything different from them? Now, I think we can say the cold war officially started 8 May 1945, otherwise known as VE day. We already distrusted each other, and now we had no common enemy to hold us together.

Fair enough, and agreed. The Cold War started pretty much right the Nazis were out of the picture.

So, how about that Assange? I have a question. I haven't been following the Assange ordeal very closely, so humor me. If him leaking all those documents is so horrible, why is he being charged with sexual assault or other such nonsense?

Wiki leaks has nothing to do with him being charged. Several female workers for wiki leaks came out and said he was sexually harassing them and maybe even rape if I'm not mistaken.

So is what he did with Wikileaks actually illegal? If it is, why isn't he being charged on those grounds?

No it isn't illegal, it is illegal to release confidential documents, and it is illegal in America i believe for Americans to publish them, but Assange is not an American so they can't get them on those grounds.

It's btw not the first time someone is attacked with charges like this for political reasons (not so long ago the (ex-)IMF Boss underwent the same, and i think he was released, biut he had to resign, and now the IMF is run by a puppet.

Also @Spartacus You are talking about events that happend prior to the change in tactics from Stalin, so yeah, at that point, so yeah back then they decided to go for the world revolution, however after that Russia just wanted to outperform Kapitalism economically.

Also Western Europe was actually puppetized through economic measures and not political, through the Marshall-plan, as whenever a european country went against the US the US would threathen to cut economic support for these countries.