The irrational disdain of the wealthy

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by The Shaw, Jun 26, 2012.

  1. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    The Chinese government is doing what is necessary.
    Millions out of work pleases no-one and invites social instability.
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    This thread has the randomest arguments. Deserves an award.
  3. Demondaze Xenos Scum

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    But I thought having less money would make me more popular?

    I didn't say we were there yet. So long as countries like China keep pumping out cheap products through cheap labor these displaced workers are going to have it rough.
  4. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    But what I'm getting from this is that Shaw and Kali believe this will take hold across the world. Do you really think dirt poor loggers in the Amazon are going to be replaced by robots or machines in our lifetime? I'd love to believe it, but I simply can't. Where are we going to get all the energy to get these robots to run? How are people going to support themselves? There's no room for all 7 billion people on Earth to be middle and upper class managers and robot bosses. In reality, this would cut out all need for working people (obviously) but where are they all going to go? We'll still need the same amount of managers. So you're taking away jobs but is there anywhere for these people to go from there?
    Well, that does make sense, but again, see above. And no, up is not the only way they can go. Ever heard of slavery (unlikely) or "untouchables"?
    I assume you don't mean the belief in a force of energy inside of everyone?
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    So what is this nonsense about us not having robots in factories? Most factories probably already use robotics that do human jobs anyway...
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    More or less in America like automobile factories.
    Maybe one day aircraft carriers, considering it is really dangerous.
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    Yes, in first world countries. Unfortunately, the majority of people live in third world countries. Therefore, the majority of people will not be replaced by robots anytime soon.
  8. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    I heard a story about an American steel company that touted moving its operations back to the US and hiring 100 American employees.
    You know how many Chinese lost their jobs in the move?
    400.
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    Workshops sometimes have mechanical and robotical equipment that do human jobs, but then better.
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    We don't need another argument on top of the ones going on already.
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    More precise, because they're robots of course, programmed to do it. *insert evil robot pop culture reference. *
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    I didn't say they were wrong for it. As a still vary much developing nation this is to be expected.

    Well first off the world can't support 7 billion people regardless. So I don't see what kind of bearing that has on this subject really. Secondly, every time the state of social development has reached a point where the upper class is made accessible to a broader demographic (think aristocracy to capitalism), the corresponding ecomnomy has always adapted to this change. So I wouldn't worry to much about it.

    Up is the only realistic direction.
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    Yeah, with their sensors and lasers and stuff...
  14. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    We should just have helots.
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    I find it astounding that people think that once stupid jobs are done by robots the people who did those jobs will become better of xD... The entire point of making robots would be to have less employee's. Ergo more unemployment, ergo more poor people. I mean face it northern england is a prime example of what happens to a community when you take away all the working jobs, 3 generations of straight unemployment...
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    And not a soul to buy their products.
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    Exactly, leading to a decrease in production, and the starving of the working-class people who aren't inteligent or usefull enough to adapt, wait i oike this idea
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    They'll just maintain and control the robots. These things don't fully operate on their own, anyway.
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    You fail to understand basic economics, why invest in robots if you're still gonna need the same amountmof workers?
    By this basic economic logic there would be less workers required ergo some will be unemployed
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    Because it's fucking fancy and we can.
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